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Voice Coaches Radio Episode 725 ” Most Misunderstood Parts Of Voice Overs Part 2″
John: [00:00:00] All right. Hello, it's John.
Tina: It's Tina.
John: And it's Voice Coaches Radio, and we are here with part two- Yes ... the most missed, misunderstood parts of voiceovers.
Tina: And there's a lot of them. Well, there's six. There's
John: six. We're doing six.
Tina: Yeah. So we did the three, and now
John: we got three more. We did the first three. Yep.
We're gonna do three more. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Uh, so, w- w- a quick recap. Yeah. I think we s- number three, we, we left at, "I need a home studio- Mm-hmm ... before I start," and we were like, "No, that's not okay." Yeah,
Tina: that's, no.
John: Do we have to... Well, okay, so one was, it's all about having a great voice. Number two was reading is easy.
I read all the time. Mm-hmm. Number three was, I need a home studio before I start. Those are the first three.
Tina: Those were the first three. There we go. You can catch that in l- last week's episode.
John: There you go, last week's episode. Uh, so we'll, let's start with this one, which is- Mm ... number four, the demo is step one.
Tina: No.
John: No. The, the demo is not step one. That is a common mistake. No. If you were to do the demo [00:01:00] first- No ... and I'm talking before you even learned- Mm-hmm ... what are you show- what skills are you showing off?
Tina: I know. You're just, yeah, I guess you're just- You're
John: not a voice actor ...
Tina: no, you're just reading a piece of paper.
John: Yeah. So- Yeah ... the d- the whole point of the demo is to show off your skill, your range. Mm-hmm. But if you are not a voice actor yet, in other words, you have not had voice coaching- Mm-hmm ... you have not been trained at all in any way, you're not showing anybody anything.
Tina: No, yeah.
John: You're a regular person.
Tina: Yeah.
Yeah.
John: Yeah. So, so you're not a voice actor. You're just some person- Mm ... that has a demo, and if you rec- and for b- Yeah ... I hope you didn't record it at home, 'cause I can't
Tina: imagine how bad- That's what I was just thinking, too. I'm like, okay- Oh. ... so if you have the demo, where are you recording that? Who'd you record it with?
Or was it something where you just picked up your phone- Oh, man ... and hit the microphone and recorded?
John: In my 33-year career, the worst demos I've ever heard are the ones self-produced and recorded- Yeah ... at home or wherever. Yeah, always have a pro. But, but again, that's not the first step. The first step- Yeah,
Tina: that's not the first step.
Uh- First
John: step is, again, we said this.
Tina: Yeah. Go to a webinar, find out about it, then take it from there. Yeah. Yes.
John: Go to [00:02:00] an intro webinar specifically with me. Yes. That's your best bet. Again, uh, you have 50 perc- because you're listening to this podcast, um, you get 50% off- Mm-hmm ... of the webinar with the code POD, P-O-D.
Just go to our website. You can sign up right there on our ticketing platform. There is,
Tina: yep,
John: simple. And P-O-D, and you get 50% off. Mm-hmm. Um, a- a- and you can, that's sticking your toe in the water just to see. Yeah. Because I'm gonna tell you exactly what this is all about, right? Mm-hmm. And so anyway, so that's the first step.
But then even after that, y- y- you know, before the demo is getting a voice coach.
Tina: Yes.
John: Learning how to do this.
Tina: You've gotta learn how. It's, it, as, as we go, you know, the ones, the second one that we said we're misunderstanding was it's just reading. It is a little more than just reading.
John: Yeah.
Tina: Just a little more than reading.
The
John: things you should be learning, uh, uh, um, before you even, even get a demo- Mm-hmm ... should be how to conversationally read. Yeah. How to voice act.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: Should even learn things that you probably don't think are that important, like studio etiquette.
Tina: Yes.
John: You know, 'cause you can drive someone crazy, and not know you're driving them crazy.
[00:03:00] Um- Yeah ... so, so I even think that's important. And, and, and, and also even, you should even learn from whoever you're working with how to go out and get jobs.
Tina: Yes. How
John: about that?
Tina: Yeah. That's, that's the biggest thing. And it, it, it's the same as any other job market, but different at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. So it is very, very different.
Yeah. You know, but at the same. But you're still looking for work, but voice acting.
John: You got it.
Tina: Yeah. You
John: got it. So. So th- that's, uh, number four.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: Number one for today, but number four.
Tina: Yes.
John: Okay? Uh, after that, number five is voiceover is just talking.
Tina: Oh, just ta-... Yeah, we're just having conversations.
That's it.
John: Yeah. So that's the difference. So- Mm ... you know, I'm glad that's, that's one of these because- Mm-hmm ... um, that's the difference, too. Like, I get people who go, "Well, I do podcasting, right? So it's voiceover." Mm. I'm like, "No. No, no, no. In a podcast, you're just ta- like we're doing right now, we're talking to each other, right?"
Tina: Yes. There's no script. And that- No nothing. There's no script. No nothing.
John: Mm-hmm. And that's something that you do every day. You talk to people. You're right. So I would say podcasting is closer to what you probably do every day- Yeah ... if, if you-
Tina: Just talking.
John: Mm ... if you're a person that can do [00:04:00] that in the mic and not get nervous.
Yeah. Voiceover is you reading a script conversationally and, and voice acting that script.
Tina: Yes.
John: Sounding conversational. Um, again, getting into character, being able to- Mm-hmm ... express emotion and all that, into something that you probably aren't feeling at the moment. Yeah. You have to conjure that up. Um- So it's different
Tina: It is.
It is completely different. With like you were saying, we have to sound conversational as we're reading, and you're not gonna learn, uh, you're not gonna be able to do that right away from just saying, "Oh, well, uh, here, I can read my newspaper and sound like I'm not reading my newspaper." No, no, it takes a little more than that.
Just a little more.
John: Yeah, just a little. Yeah. It, it's, it's ... Yes, you do wanna sound ... I understand why people say that, though. Yeah Right? Because s- if they hear a good voice actor, they think, "Oh, wow, that person's just talking." No. No That person sounds like they're just talking. They ... It sounds like ... Yes. That's why they're good.
Mm-hmm. They're actually reading a sc- I've, I ... People have been surprised by that. I've, I've had people, like, I've played them something, and I say- Mm-hmm ... "Does that sound natural?" And they go, "Yeah." I go, "That person's reading." [00:05:00]
Tina: Yeah.
John: They go, "What?" I go, "Yeah, that person's ... And by the way, that person just got that script."
Tina: Yeah. "
John: And that person's actually reading that." See? And yes, they sound like they're talking. Mm-hmm. And that's what makes a voice actor different-
Tina: Yes ...
John: than someone who's doing a podcast, for example.
Tina: Yeah Right? Yeah, 'cause look it, we've got no script, and it's very easy to tell. Yeah. We got no script. But when you're doing voice acting, you've got the script in front of you.
John: Yeah. Yeah. And it should be- Yes ... and it should be hard to tell that person- Mm-hmm ... has a script.
Tina: Yeah
John: But they do. Yes. And so that's the big difference. Y- y- you know, I get it. Y- yes, it sounds like you're just talking, but you really have to be able to read that script and make it sound like ... That's a skill.
Tina: Yes. Right? Absolutely.
John: Cool. So that's, that's five.
Tina: Five. Uh,
John: six.
Tina: Yep.
John: Six is I'll know I'm improving when I have the perfect read.
Tina: Is there such thing as a perfect
John: read? There you go. That's a weird one. Um, uh, there's- ... no perfect read. There's a-
Tina: Yeah. I,
John: I- Yeah. There's- There's a read that's right for that producer, that client.
Tina: [00:06:00] Yes.
John: There's a read that's right for you. Mm-hmm. And those two might not match. Who knows? Mm-hmm. But there's no perfect read. And chasing perfection can stunt your growth in voiceovers.
Tina: I think so, because I also think you get in your head of like, "It's got to be perfect. It's gotta be this one certain way," and then you're, you're in your head.
It's not gonna be perfect. There's no ... I don't ... Yeah, like you said, perfect for the director. Perfect for ... But not a perfect ... And maybe it's the word. Yeah. You know? It needs to be a different word than perfect. There's no such thing as perfect. I don't think there is.
John: No. Yeah. No, no, no. There definitely is not.
Yeah. And, and if ... And the more you obsess about that- Mm-hmm ... and I do have people we've had come through the program say, "I just want it to be perfect." And I said, "It's not gonna be. Nothing's gonna be perfect. And even if you think it's perfect, I'm gonna go, "Mm, let's try it like this.""
Tina: Yes.
John: Right? "Ah, I want you to be a little more disappointed here," or- Yeah
whatever. Uh, but there's no perfect read. There's just the read that works.
Tina: [00:07:00] Yes. Absolutely. I will ... I've got a good example of this. I've like, um, s- say I'm doing a, a demo with this, a student, and we do the read. And I like, I'm like, "I really like that. That was a great job." But you can always tell, and they're, they're like, "Really?"
And I'm like, "Let's do it again." Yes. "If you want us to do it again, we'll do it again." Yep. And we've done it again. And then they, we listen back, and then they're like, "Yeah, the one that you said was the best way to go
John: with it." I just had that happen- Yeah ... last- Yes. Yeah. We were recording our last episode of this.
Um, uh, not the one that we just did, but the one before that. Mm-hmm. I recorded a demo here in the main room, and same thing. Uh, because here's the thing, the producer has some knowledge you don't have yet.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: The knowledge that, that you don't have yet is how they're gonna edit that and what kind of-
Tina: Yeah
John: production elements they're gonna put to it. Mm-hmm. So when I'm having someone read, I, I in my mind are going, "Ooh, I can imagine this going with this, or this going with this." Yeah. You don't have that knowledge yet. So I, so I had someone do that, right? Mm-hmm. And so the, the voice actor was like ... [00:08:00] And again, this is a demo.
Yeah. You wouldn't do this in a professional demo. No, no, I ... Yeah. You just let it go. Yeah. But I could tell, he came in-
Tina: Yeah. ...
John: and he's like, "Yeah, I don't know about that read." I go, "Okay. Give me, give me a minute." So I threw it together- Mm-hmm ... and I, I threw the production elements I wanted with it, and I played it.
He goes, "Oh."
Tina: See? Yeah.
John: Yes. Yeah. "Okay, that makes sense now." Mm-hmm. "Yes." And I said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get it. I, I ... You know, the ... You don't have the other part of this that I'm thinking of."
Tina: Yeah.
John: And by the way, sometimes the voice actor could be right. I mean, there's many times where I've had a voice actor- Mm-hmm
s- like I've had to try it a different way, and I go- Oh, yeah. Absolutely ... "Ooh, ooh, I do like that actually." Yeah. Mm-hmm. So that's what's so great about this, it's collaborative. Mm-hmm. You know, that's your po- A- as a voice actor, you don't have to You don't have to question me. What you can do is just read it the way you think it goes- Yes
and let me make a decision from there. Mm-hmm. That's the advice I would give to people, 'cause what you don't wanna do is go, "Eh, I don't know." What you should do is go, "Hey, uh, let me try it like this." And then you do it- Yeah ... and then I'll make a decision from there. 'Cause sometimes you could, you could blow me away with your read- Exactly
and I didn't even think of it. Yes. Like, I'm [00:09:00] a producer. I can't think of everything.
Tina: No, no.
John: That's what makes us great. Mm-hmm. This is a collaborative and creative industry. But part of your job as a producer is to be cr- or as a, as a voice actor, is to be creative. Mm-hmm. You don't have to keep asking me- No
or telling me. Like, "Hey, can I do it like this? Hey, c-" No, no, no. Just do it. Yeah.
Tina: Because- Just absolutely, yes ... 'cause if you
John: ask me, I'm like- Yeah ... in my mind, I don't know what you mean. I'm gonna go... Like, my, this is, it's like this- Mm-hmm ... for my wife. Like, my wife is very creative in her mind. Mm-hmm. And she'll say, "Hey, I'm gonna change the room," or, "I'm gonna do this."
Mm-hmm. And I don't even know what she's talking about.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Like, I, like, I can't even picture it. She's saying, "I'm gonna do this, this, and this," and I go, "Ugh, I don't know. I don't know." Yeah. I go, "You just gotta do it." Just
Tina: do it. I,
John: I, I-
Tina: Yeah.
John: And she, she knows now. She goes, "You're gonna love it, believe me." Yeah.
And I'm like, "Yeah, okay," 'cause I don't even know. I can't even picture- Yeah ... what you're saying. Same thing in voiceovers. If you say, "Hey, I wanna read it this way," I don't know what you're saying.
Tina: Just, yep, just do it. Just do
John: it. Let me hear it.
Tina: Just do it. Let me hear it. And w- that's a lot, I have to listen back to it, too.
You know, you're gonna, you're recording it. I need to, I can hear- Yeah ... I can hear you. I'm listening to you. But I really need that second, again- Yeah ... to listen to it again, to hear it differently. You
John: know? And by the way, something we haven't addressed yet. For those of you [00:10:00] who are... Well, for those of you who are watching, which I don't know when that's gonna happen.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Okay. Those of you who are watching. But, but for those of you who are even maybe, uh, g- well, no matter where you get this, there's new artwork now.
Tina: No artwork?
John: New artwork.
Tina: Oh, new artwork. New
John: artwork. Yes. We have new artwork-
Tina: Yeah. ...
John: next to us here. That's 'cause I complained. Uh, new artwork. Yeah. And Gina hated the last artwork.
She hated it.
Tina: I hate, I did. Yeah. I really did not like it at all. Yeah.
John: Not at all. Now, now, now some of you who are loyal listeners, you may notice the new artwork- Yeah ... even if you're on, like, Apple Podcasts- Mm-hmm ... or anything like that. Yeah
By the way, you know what's funny is I also cha- you, I also change all, each episode artwork. That will not change. Yeah. That's gonna be there. So at least for you, you're gonna hate it forever. You can't change it. It's the- Yeah ... ep- each episode. Yeah But now I can use this to make the new episode artwork.
This,
Tina: and now I'm happy.
John: You'll be happy now.
Tina: There you go. See now, that's perfect.
John: Perfect. No such thing as perfect- Yep ... except for our new artwork.
Tina: Yes, except for our new artwork. [00:11:00]
John: Yeah, there you go. All right, so there you go. That, that's our episode, um, on-
Tina: Misunderstand... I, I'm st- I'm staying- I know the, the ep-
with the misunderstanding, which is probably, it's something else ...
John: the most misunderstood parts of voiceover. The, okay. I always have to look at it. Yeah. I don't know why I made the, the, the... I don't know why I made this episode title so difficult to remember. The most misunderstood parts of voiceover. This is the second part of that.
Mm-hmm. Hopefully you listened to the first part or you're gonna have to go back. Got the first one, yep. It'll be like a prequel if you didn't.
Tina: Yes. Oh, yeah.
John: Prequel. People
Tina: love prequels.
John: I do not. They do. I'm not a prequel person. Yeah. No. My wife loves them. Uh, so there you go. Um, there you go. That's it. So that, uh, I wanna thank everybody again.
I wanna thank everybody for listening, especially the loyal listeners. Mm-hmm. Again, if you have any questions, any comments, don't be shy.
Tina: No,
John: I'm
Tina: not.
John: Don't be shy. And if you're a profes- if there's any professional voice actors out there listening to this, don't be afraid to hit us up because I, we're gonna start booking some guests on here.
Yeah. I did try to get a guest on here. Yeah. And the person didn't respond to
Tina: me. Oh, I'm sorry.
John: It was someone who wanted to be on and just didn't respond. Oh, okay.
Tina: Well, maybe I'll reach out, and they'll probably re- they'll respond, I think. No, they're blacklisted now.
John: Oh. They're [00:12:00] blacklisted. I'm not gonna say who it is, but that person- Hey
is not allowed on now. All right. Uh, the... So, uh, so again, John G at voicecoaches.com.
Tina: And Tina at voicecoaches.com.
John: We out
Tina: It's Tina.
John: And it's Voice Coaches Radio, and we are here with part two- Yes ... the most missed, misunderstood parts of voiceovers.
Tina: And there's a lot of them. Well, there's six. There's
John: six. We're doing six.
Tina: Yeah. So we did the three, and now
John: we got three more. We did the first three. Yep.
We're gonna do three more. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Uh, so, w- w- a quick recap. Yeah. I think we s- number three, we, we left at, "I need a home studio- Mm-hmm ... before I start," and we were like, "No, that's not okay." Yeah,
Tina: that's, no.
John: Do we have to... Well, okay, so one was, it's all about having a great voice. Number two was reading is easy.
I read all the time. Mm-hmm. Number three was, I need a home studio before I start. Those are the first three.
Tina: Those were the first three. There we go. You can catch that in l- last week's episode.
John: There you go, last week's episode. Uh, so we'll, let's start with this one, which is- Mm ... number four, the demo is step one.
Tina: No.
John: No. The, the demo is not step one. That is a common mistake. No. If you were to do the demo [00:01:00] first- No ... and I'm talking before you even learned- Mm-hmm ... what are you show- what skills are you showing off?
Tina: I know. You're just, yeah, I guess you're just- You're
John: not a voice actor ...
Tina: no, you're just reading a piece of paper.
John: Yeah. So- Yeah ... the d- the whole point of the demo is to show off your skill, your range. Mm-hmm. But if you are not a voice actor yet, in other words, you have not had voice coaching- Mm-hmm ... you have not been trained at all in any way, you're not showing anybody anything.
Tina: No, yeah.
John: You're a regular person.
Tina: Yeah.
Yeah.
John: Yeah. So, so you're not a voice actor. You're just some person- Mm ... that has a demo, and if you rec- and for b- Yeah ... I hope you didn't record it at home, 'cause I can't
Tina: imagine how bad- That's what I was just thinking, too. I'm like, okay- Oh. ... so if you have the demo, where are you recording that? Who'd you record it with?
Or was it something where you just picked up your phone- Oh, man ... and hit the microphone and recorded?
John: In my 33-year career, the worst demos I've ever heard are the ones self-produced and recorded- Yeah ... at home or wherever. Yeah, always have a pro. But, but again, that's not the first step. The first step- Yeah,
Tina: that's not the first step.
Uh- First
John: step is, again, we said this.
Tina: Yeah. Go to a webinar, find out about it, then take it from there. Yeah. Yes.
John: Go to [00:02:00] an intro webinar specifically with me. Yes. That's your best bet. Again, uh, you have 50 perc- because you're listening to this podcast, um, you get 50% off- Mm-hmm ... of the webinar with the code POD, P-O-D.
Just go to our website. You can sign up right there on our ticketing platform. There is,
Tina: yep,
John: simple. And P-O-D, and you get 50% off. Mm-hmm. Um, a- a- and you can, that's sticking your toe in the water just to see. Yeah. Because I'm gonna tell you exactly what this is all about, right? Mm-hmm. And so anyway, so that's the first step.
But then even after that, y- y- you know, before the demo is getting a voice coach.
Tina: Yes.
John: Learning how to do this.
Tina: You've gotta learn how. It's, it, as, as we go, you know, the ones, the second one that we said we're misunderstanding was it's just reading. It is a little more than just reading.
John: Yeah.
Tina: Just a little more than reading.
The
John: things you should be learning, uh, uh, um, before you even, even get a demo- Mm-hmm ... should be how to conversationally read. Yeah. How to voice act.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: Should even learn things that you probably don't think are that important, like studio etiquette.
Tina: Yes.
John: You know, 'cause you can drive someone crazy, and not know you're driving them crazy.
[00:03:00] Um- Yeah ... so, so I even think that's important. And, and, and, and also even, you should even learn from whoever you're working with how to go out and get jobs.
Tina: Yes. How
John: about that?
Tina: Yeah. That's, that's the biggest thing. And it, it, it's the same as any other job market, but different at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. So it is very, very different.
Yeah. You know, but at the same. But you're still looking for work, but voice acting.
John: You got it.
Tina: Yeah. You
John: got it. So. So th- that's, uh, number four.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: Number one for today, but number four.
Tina: Yes.
John: Okay? Uh, after that, number five is voiceover is just talking.
Tina: Oh, just ta-... Yeah, we're just having conversations.
That's it.
John: Yeah. So that's the difference. So- Mm ... you know, I'm glad that's, that's one of these because- Mm-hmm ... um, that's the difference, too. Like, I get people who go, "Well, I do podcasting, right? So it's voiceover." Mm. I'm like, "No. No, no, no. In a podcast, you're just ta- like we're doing right now, we're talking to each other, right?"
Tina: Yes. There's no script. And that- No nothing. There's no script. No nothing.
John: Mm-hmm. And that's something that you do every day. You talk to people. You're right. So I would say podcasting is closer to what you probably do every day- Yeah ... if, if you-
Tina: Just talking.
John: Mm ... if you're a person that can do [00:04:00] that in the mic and not get nervous.
Yeah. Voiceover is you reading a script conversationally and, and voice acting that script.
Tina: Yes.
John: Sounding conversational. Um, again, getting into character, being able to- Mm-hmm ... express emotion and all that, into something that you probably aren't feeling at the moment. Yeah. You have to conjure that up. Um- So it's different
Tina: It is.
It is completely different. With like you were saying, we have to sound conversational as we're reading, and you're not gonna learn, uh, you're not gonna be able to do that right away from just saying, "Oh, well, uh, here, I can read my newspaper and sound like I'm not reading my newspaper." No, no, it takes a little more than that.
Just a little more.
John: Yeah, just a little. Yeah. It, it's, it's ... Yes, you do wanna sound ... I understand why people say that, though. Yeah Right? Because s- if they hear a good voice actor, they think, "Oh, wow, that person's just talking." No. No That person sounds like they're just talking. They ... It sounds like ... Yes. That's why they're good.
Mm-hmm. They're actually reading a sc- I've, I ... People have been surprised by that. I've, I've had people, like, I've played them something, and I say- Mm-hmm ... "Does that sound natural?" And they go, "Yeah." I go, "That person's reading." [00:05:00]
Tina: Yeah.
John: They go, "What?" I go, "Yeah, that person's ... And by the way, that person just got that script."
Tina: Yeah. "
John: And that person's actually reading that." See? And yes, they sound like they're talking. Mm-hmm. And that's what makes a voice actor different-
Tina: Yes ...
John: than someone who's doing a podcast, for example.
Tina: Yeah Right? Yeah, 'cause look it, we've got no script, and it's very easy to tell. Yeah. We got no script. But when you're doing voice acting, you've got the script in front of you.
John: Yeah. Yeah. And it should be- Yes ... and it should be hard to tell that person- Mm-hmm ... has a script.
Tina: Yeah
John: But they do. Yes. And so that's the big difference. Y- y- you know, I get it. Y- yes, it sounds like you're just talking, but you really have to be able to read that script and make it sound like ... That's a skill.
Tina: Yes. Right? Absolutely.
John: Cool. So that's, that's five.
Tina: Five. Uh,
John: six.
Tina: Yep.
John: Six is I'll know I'm improving when I have the perfect read.
Tina: Is there such thing as a perfect
John: read? There you go. That's a weird one. Um, uh, there's- ... no perfect read. There's a-
Tina: Yeah. I,
John: I- Yeah. There's- There's a read that's right for that producer, that client.
Tina: [00:06:00] Yes.
John: There's a read that's right for you. Mm-hmm. And those two might not match. Who knows? Mm-hmm. But there's no perfect read. And chasing perfection can stunt your growth in voiceovers.
Tina: I think so, because I also think you get in your head of like, "It's got to be perfect. It's gotta be this one certain way," and then you're, you're in your head.
It's not gonna be perfect. There's no ... I don't ... Yeah, like you said, perfect for the director. Perfect for ... But not a perfect ... And maybe it's the word. Yeah. You know? It needs to be a different word than perfect. There's no such thing as perfect. I don't think there is.
John: No. Yeah. No, no, no. There definitely is not.
Yeah. And, and if ... And the more you obsess about that- Mm-hmm ... and I do have people we've had come through the program say, "I just want it to be perfect." And I said, "It's not gonna be. Nothing's gonna be perfect. And even if you think it's perfect, I'm gonna go, "Mm, let's try it like this.""
Tina: Yes.
John: Right? "Ah, I want you to be a little more disappointed here," or- Yeah
whatever. Uh, but there's no perfect read. There's just the read that works.
Tina: [00:07:00] Yes. Absolutely. I will ... I've got a good example of this. I've like, um, s- say I'm doing a, a demo with this, a student, and we do the read. And I like, I'm like, "I really like that. That was a great job." But you can always tell, and they're, they're like, "Really?"
And I'm like, "Let's do it again." Yes. "If you want us to do it again, we'll do it again." Yep. And we've done it again. And then they, we listen back, and then they're like, "Yeah, the one that you said was the best way to go
John: with it." I just had that happen- Yeah ... last- Yes. Yeah. We were recording our last episode of this.
Um, uh, not the one that we just did, but the one before that. Mm-hmm. I recorded a demo here in the main room, and same thing. Uh, because here's the thing, the producer has some knowledge you don't have yet.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: The knowledge that, that you don't have yet is how they're gonna edit that and what kind of-
Tina: Yeah
John: production elements they're gonna put to it. Mm-hmm. So when I'm having someone read, I, I in my mind are going, "Ooh, I can imagine this going with this, or this going with this." Yeah. You don't have that knowledge yet. So I, so I had someone do that, right? Mm-hmm. And so the, the voice actor was like ... [00:08:00] And again, this is a demo.
Yeah. You wouldn't do this in a professional demo. No, no, I ... Yeah. You just let it go. Yeah. But I could tell, he came in-
Tina: Yeah. ...
John: and he's like, "Yeah, I don't know about that read." I go, "Okay. Give me, give me a minute." So I threw it together- Mm-hmm ... and I, I threw the production elements I wanted with it, and I played it.
He goes, "Oh."
Tina: See? Yeah.
John: Yes. Yeah. "Okay, that makes sense now." Mm-hmm. "Yes." And I said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get it. I, I ... You know, the ... You don't have the other part of this that I'm thinking of."
Tina: Yeah.
John: And by the way, sometimes the voice actor could be right. I mean, there's many times where I've had a voice actor- Mm-hmm
s- like I've had to try it a different way, and I go- Oh, yeah. Absolutely ... "Ooh, ooh, I do like that actually." Yeah. Mm-hmm. So that's what's so great about this, it's collaborative. Mm-hmm. You know, that's your po- A- as a voice actor, you don't have to You don't have to question me. What you can do is just read it the way you think it goes- Yes
and let me make a decision from there. Mm-hmm. That's the advice I would give to people, 'cause what you don't wanna do is go, "Eh, I don't know." What you should do is go, "Hey, uh, let me try it like this." And then you do it- Yeah ... and then I'll make a decision from there. 'Cause sometimes you could, you could blow me away with your read- Exactly
and I didn't even think of it. Yes. Like, I'm [00:09:00] a producer. I can't think of everything.
Tina: No, no.
John: That's what makes us great. Mm-hmm. This is a collaborative and creative industry. But part of your job as a producer is to be cr- or as a, as a voice actor, is to be creative. Mm-hmm. You don't have to keep asking me- No
or telling me. Like, "Hey, can I do it like this? Hey, c-" No, no, no. Just do it. Yeah.
Tina: Because- Just absolutely, yes ... 'cause if you
John: ask me, I'm like- Yeah ... in my mind, I don't know what you mean. I'm gonna go... Like, my, this is, it's like this- Mm-hmm ... for my wife. Like, my wife is very creative in her mind. Mm-hmm. And she'll say, "Hey, I'm gonna change the room," or, "I'm gonna do this."
Mm-hmm. And I don't even know what she's talking about.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Like, I, like, I can't even picture it. She's saying, "I'm gonna do this, this, and this," and I go, "Ugh, I don't know. I don't know." Yeah. I go, "You just gotta do it." Just
Tina: do it. I,
John: I, I-
Tina: Yeah.
John: And she, she knows now. She goes, "You're gonna love it, believe me." Yeah.
And I'm like, "Yeah, okay," 'cause I don't even know. I can't even picture- Yeah ... what you're saying. Same thing in voiceovers. If you say, "Hey, I wanna read it this way," I don't know what you're saying.
Tina: Just, yep, just do it. Just do
John: it. Let me hear it.
Tina: Just do it. Let me hear it. And w- that's a lot, I have to listen back to it, too.
You know, you're gonna, you're recording it. I need to, I can hear- Yeah ... I can hear you. I'm listening to you. But I really need that second, again- Yeah ... to listen to it again, to hear it differently. You
John: know? And by the way, something we haven't addressed yet. For those of you [00:10:00] who are... Well, for those of you who are watching, which I don't know when that's gonna happen.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Okay. Those of you who are watching. But, but for those of you who are even maybe, uh, g- well, no matter where you get this, there's new artwork now.
Tina: No artwork?
John: New artwork.
Tina: Oh, new artwork. New
John: artwork. Yes. We have new artwork-
Tina: Yeah. ...
John: next to us here. That's 'cause I complained. Uh, new artwork. Yeah. And Gina hated the last artwork.
She hated it.
Tina: I hate, I did. Yeah. I really did not like it at all. Yeah.
John: Not at all. Now, now, now some of you who are loyal listeners, you may notice the new artwork- Yeah ... even if you're on, like, Apple Podcasts- Mm-hmm ... or anything like that. Yeah
By the way, you know what's funny is I also cha- you, I also change all, each episode artwork. That will not change. Yeah. That's gonna be there. So at least for you, you're gonna hate it forever. You can't change it. It's the- Yeah ... ep- each episode. Yeah But now I can use this to make the new episode artwork.
This,
Tina: and now I'm happy.
John: You'll be happy now.
Tina: There you go. See now, that's perfect.
John: Perfect. No such thing as perfect- Yep ... except for our new artwork.
Tina: Yes, except for our new artwork. [00:11:00]
John: Yeah, there you go. All right, so there you go. That, that's our episode, um, on-
Tina: Misunderstand... I, I'm st- I'm staying- I know the, the ep-
with the misunderstanding, which is probably, it's something else ...
John: the most misunderstood parts of voiceover. The, okay. I always have to look at it. Yeah. I don't know why I made the, the, the... I don't know why I made this episode title so difficult to remember. The most misunderstood parts of voiceover. This is the second part of that.
Mm-hmm. Hopefully you listened to the first part or you're gonna have to go back. Got the first one, yep. It'll be like a prequel if you didn't.
Tina: Yes. Oh, yeah.
John: Prequel. People
Tina: love prequels.
John: I do not. They do. I'm not a prequel person. Yeah. No. My wife loves them. Uh, so there you go. Um, there you go. That's it. So that, uh, I wanna thank everybody again.
I wanna thank everybody for listening, especially the loyal listeners. Mm-hmm. Again, if you have any questions, any comments, don't be shy.
Tina: No,
John: I'm
Tina: not.
John: Don't be shy. And if you're a profes- if there's any professional voice actors out there listening to this, don't be afraid to hit us up because I, we're gonna start booking some guests on here.
Yeah. I did try to get a guest on here. Yeah. And the person didn't respond to
Tina: me. Oh, I'm sorry.
John: It was someone who wanted to be on and just didn't respond. Oh, okay.
Tina: Well, maybe I'll reach out, and they'll probably re- they'll respond, I think. No, they're blacklisted now.
John: Oh. They're [00:12:00] blacklisted. I'm not gonna say who it is, but that person- Hey
is not allowed on now. All right. Uh, the... So, uh, so again, John G at voicecoaches.com.
Tina: And Tina at voicecoaches.com.
John: We out
Part 2 of Most Misunderstood Parts Of Voice Overs.
