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Voice Coaches Radio Episode 717 “The In Between”
John: [00:00:00] All right. Hello, my friends. I am John.
Tina: I'm waiting for you to say John G. now.
John: John G. John.
Tina: And I'm Tina.
John: And this is Voice Coaches Radio, and the episode we're gonna talk about or that we're gonna do today- Mm-hmm ... is gonna be called The In Between.
Tina: The In Between.
John: Yeah, which almost sounds ominous, like a horror movie or something.
Yeah. The In Between. But the reason I wanna talk about this is there's people who are sitting on the couch right now. They're not voice actors- Mm-hmm ... just, just regular people, right? They're not, they're not, uh, they're not voice actors yet- Mm-hmm ... but maybe they've been told they have a good voice. And there's a lot of people, and this, by the way, applies to everything in life.
Tina: Okay.
John: Okay? But they're just sitting on their couch, and then all of a sudden, you know, maybe, maybe they've been told for a while. Mm-hmm. This happens quite a [00:01:00] bit. People come- Yeah ... to my webinar, for example. They've been told, uh, many, many times they have a great voice. Mm-hmm.
Tina: Yes.
John: All right. So there's, that's you.
That's your person now. There's, there is another you. There's another version of you, and that ver- Mm ... another version of you is the voice actor way down the line. Okay. A suc- a successful voice actor. Mm-hmm. Okay? So there's you sitting on the couch right now. There's a successful voice actor. There's something called the in between, okay?
Yeah. The in between is you doing all the things you have to do-
Tina: To get... Yes ...
John: to get to that point. Okay. Unfortunately, people don't, no one wants to live in the in between. I get it. Mm-hmm. Right? Uh, but it's necessary. Yes. So people do this thing where they go, "Well, I've been told I have a good voice. I just feel like I could be a voice actor."
Mm. No. There's the in between. I, let me compare this to, to a sport, right? So when I was in high school and college, I wrestled, right? I wrestled all year.
Tina: Yeah.
John: I ran to school, and that was not close. I ran to school and ran back. Even in the winter. [00:02:00] I wrestled all year round
Tina: Mm-hmm
John: I was ranked 10th in the country.
I, my son, when he went to high school, wanted to wrestle Mm-hmm He didn't wanna do any of those things. No. He would love to be great. He wanted to be great-
Tina: Yep ...
John: but he didn't wanna do the in between. In between, yeah So he never was great. Mm-hmm He was an average wrestler at best. And there's nothing wrong with that either, by the way.
If you- No ... that's fine
Tina: Yeah
John: But he's not going anywhere. Mm-mm Like, he's not gonna, he's not going to college to, for wrestling- Yeah ... or, and to wrestle at c- college. He's not, not going to Olympics. W- wrestle, it's a sport. A- any sport's the same, right? Yeah But it's the same in life, right? Yeah This applies to everything.
If you wanna be a voice actor, okay, and you're just a, a person that has never done voiceovers- Mm-hmm ... you will exist in the in between-
Tina: Yes ...
John: for a certain amount of time. There are things you must do. There are steps- Mm-hmm ... you have to take, and you cannot skip them. Right? You're gonna, you're going to get voice coaching.
You're going to.
Tina: Yes, you have. Or
John: get some kind of voiceover training. Yes. Yep. You're going to then have someone help you and get a demo produced. Mm-hmm You, you do not do that yourself. So you're gonna have hopefully the same people that help you with the voice [00:03:00] coaching. Mm-hmm They're gonna help you with the demo.
Tina: Yeah
John: And then you actually have to go out and get work. And you're going to- Yes ... have to do it.
Tina: Yes
John: That, that section right there is called- Mm-hmm ... the in between. Yes. Then you start getting work, and you start becoming successful. That's the future you. It's not the now you.
Tina: No, no,
John: no. That is not the now you.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: It's the future you. I- okay? Mm-hmm So there is that in between. You have to accept that, mentally prepare for that. And I don't- Mm-hmm ... think people do.
Tina: I, you know, you notice that when- Especially after, after going like the first class or even the second class when we're going through these steps to get yourself as a, a voice actor, I hear a lot of people go, "Wow, it's not what I thought.
I thought it would just be me reading paper and that's it." You know? So you have to get that, 'cause the in-between is learning how to do that.
John: Yes.
Tina: You know? Absolutely learning how to
John: do it. The steps necessary. Yeah. This, this applies to everything.
Tina: Everything.
John: Everything
Tina: in life. Absolutely.
John: Right? Yeah. If I wanted to, if I decided I wanted to play, everyone's playing [00:04:00] pickleball, right?
Mm-hmm. That's the new thing. Yeah. Although maybe it's not even new now, but you know, everyone's doing... Everyone's like, I have friends who go, "Hey, wanna play pickleball?" No. Why? I, I'm not interested. If I was- Yeah ... I am a, I'm one of those people, I get obsessed. Mm-hmm. So I know that if I wanted to be good at pickleball-
Tina: Mm-hmm
John: I would have to d- I would have to exist in the in-between.
Tina: Yes.
John: Where I would have to learn how to play pickleball. Mm-hmm. I would probably not be good at it for a while. Mm-hmm. I'd have to h- I'd do all kinds of... I'm crazy like that. I'd probably take lessons. I would do everything.
Tina: Yes.
John: I would take lessons how to play pickleball.
I would do that. I, like, 'cause I'm competitive. So, um, but I don't, I'm not interested. Yeah. So I don't do it. Mm-hmm. Okay? But if you're interested in something, and for you not to exist in the in-between, you might as well not be interested.
Tina: That's true.
John: Right? That's very true, yeah. Because you're not going to succeed.
Tina: No.
John: You're, there, there's this version of you that you're never going to achieve- Mm-hmm ... because you're not willing to put the work in.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Right? You have to be willing. Mm-hmm. Mentally, and maybe people just aren't mentally prepared for it, and I don't know why people, and we're here for voiceo- why people for some reason [00:05:00] assume voiceovers is different.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Right? Uh, oh, I, well, I have a good voice. That's all I need. That is not all you need.
Tina: No.
John: Believe me. It's not quite that easy. It, believe me- Yeah ... this is not the hardest job in the world. The, in my opinion, the best job in the world. Mm-hmm,
Tina: yep.
John: But that makes it even more, to me that makes it- Mm-hmm ... even more obvious that- Yeah
if this is the best job in the world, there's an in between to get to that spot, right? Yeah. Not everyone's gonna get to do the best job in the world and make- Mm-hmm ... a ton of money doing it.
Tina: No, no.
John: There is an in between.
Tina: Yes. And you have to take the steps to get there. And it, it will, will get you there, will definitely help you get to that direction.
It's, but it's not, I, I don't know. I mean, you, you, you're right about, you have to get to that point. You gotta learn this stuff, you know? They wouldn't send you, you know, if you're, I don't know, a mechanic that's just open up the hood, "Well, do whatever you want." You know? I mean-
John: Yeah ...
Tina: you gotta learn how to do it.
Yes. And that's the same with voice acting.
John: Absolutely.
Tina: It is not, as much as, yes, you are reading, there's techniques to it, you know? And that's the thing. You can't just pull the paper and
John: just read. There's techniques. There's learning how to go [00:06:00] out and get work. There's- Mm-hmm ... you have to learn everything.
Yes. Right? I mean, it, it's, it's just so interesting when I, when I hear people are like, "Oh, I just thought I would just do it."
Tina: Yeah.
John: And I'm like, "Do what? Tell me what exactly you were going to do."
Tina: Yeah. Right?
John: Yeah. It's, like, so interesting. Uh, everything in life has to have, ha- has to have the in between.
Mm-hmm. Everything. No matter what you're gonna do. You play football, you play baseball. You- Mm-hmm ... you were, you don't start off good. There's the you that's not good.
Tina: No,
John: absolutely. There's the you- Yeah ... that's good. And to get to the you that's good or the you- Mm-hmm ... that's successful in whatever it is you wanna do, there is the in between.
And the in between is the work, the learning-
Tina: Mm-hmm ...
John: all of it that you're gonna put in to get- Yeah ... to that point.
Tina: It, and we'll help you. We'll definitely help you- Yeah ... get there.
John: And speaking of that, I, you know- Mm-hmm ... we didn't mention this last episode, uh- Oh ... uh, to my memory.
Tina: Yep.
John: Um, but again, if you would like to meet me, uh- Go to the webinar.
Yes. Go to voicecoaches.com. Mm-hmm. Go to, uh, you'll, you'll see, um,
Tina: the- I think e- events tab.
John: Is it events?
Tina: Yeah, that should... I mean, the front page, I think, tells you that when there's the next- Yeah ... webinar, [00:07:00] webinar. But if not, the events page will tell you.
John: Yeah, yeah. And so, so you can sign up for a webinar.
Mm-hmm. And if you wanna get 50% off that webinar-
Tina: Mm-hmm ...
John: uh, the code is pod, P-O-D. Ah.
Tina: Look how easy that is.
John: Yeah, very easy. And you can come. So w- and just to, and I know I've talked about this in- Mm ... prior episodes, but for anyone who's new, it's an intro to voice acting webinar, and I do give you a chance to read to me.
Mm-hmm. At the very end, you know, for, for the people- Yeah ... who wanna stick around a little late- Mm-hmm ... read to me. I give them a chance to read to me, and you get some feedback on your voice, which can be helpful if this is something you're interested in. No, it,
Tina: it, it really is. It kinda will help you, okay, do I really wanna do this or not?
Where do you... It's like when, 'cause then you'll listen, and you'll say to them where you hear their voice. Yeah.
John: You know? Yeah. So. And if you hear me
go, "Ooh." "Ooh." I'm joking. That's what it did to me. He's like, "Really? Are you sure you wanna do this?" You're like, "Oh, ooh. That was good. Yeah." No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Yeah. All right, cool. So yeah, okay. So I just wanted to talk a bit about that because it, um, the in between, just because there's this... I, I've met [00:08:00] s- many people who actually, and I've, I've mentioned this before on here, and I think you've mentioned it too, I have met people who come to my webinar who are actually disappointed to find out- Mm-hmm
there's more to it.
Tina: Yeah. Same ones. Yeah. And I,
John: and I find that, I find that interesting only because- Mm-hmm ... to me, nothing worth doing- uh, is easy. Mm-hmm. A- and not only that, if everyone could do it, what would make you think that you're coming in at the right time? True. Like, you know, like-
Tina: Yeah ...
John: if everyone could do it-
Tina: Mm-hmm
John: like, literally there's nothing to it. Yeah, yeah. You know, like there's no in between. Just like you decide you wanna be a voice actor- Mm ... you're a voice actor. There wouldn't be a ton of money in this, would there?
Tina: No, absolutely not. I know that. I know that. There, there's
John: a lot of money- Yeah ... in voiceovers.
There really is. Uh, and so y- Yeah. And if you know, and if, and I'm guessing you know that- ... which is why you're showing up to, uh, an intro.
Tina: Yeah.
John: You know there's money in it. Mm. So you have to know there's more to it than you think.
Tina: Yes. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't f- I think a lot of people come and... See, I think on my end when I talk to students, um, it's more of they are looking more [00:09:00] for that creative side.
Maybe they just don't wanna tell me they're in it for the money, but, uh, Well,
John: that's fine too. By the way, that's a great reason to do something. Let me say that. Yeah. There's a g- the, the best reason to do anything in life, including voiceovers- Mm-hmm ... is because you think you'd love it.
Tina: Yes.
John: You think you'd like it.
You'd enjoy it. Yes. That's the best reason to do it because I find those people do f- find success-
Tina: Yes, yes ...
John: because they love it. Mm-hmm. So that's the best reason to do something.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Um, but still even then- Yeah ... if you just wanna be good at something just because you love it, there's still the in between.
Tina: Yes, there is, and you have to get... You gotta get there to be good.
John: Yeah.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Yeah. And things become... Let's face it. Mm. Things are a lot more fun when you're good.
Tina: Yeah. You
John: know? Yeah. Like, I had a, I had a kid that wrestled on... I w- coach, coach wrestling, and I had a kid on my team that was naturally gifted. Mm.
Here's a great example of this. There was a kid on my team that was naturally gifted, and he was. And he was better, he was better than a lot of the kids that did do off season.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: He just was naturally gifted.
Tina: Yeah.
John: But he wasn't that good. He wasn't good enough to go any further, and he was- Yeah
getting bummed. He would lose to kids who were that good.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And [00:10:00] he would say, "I really hate losing." And I would say, "Well, you c- you control that." Yeah. "You can, you can- Mm-hmm ... go to off-season programs. You can learn more. You can put more work in." And he's like, "Yeah."
Tina: Yeah. "
John: I don't hate losing that much."
Tina: Yeah.
John: He literally didn't wanna put the work in. He's like, "I don't like losing, but I don't like it enough to put the work in."
Tina: Yeah. Yeah.
John: Okay. Then that's, then, uh, I don't wanna hear you say you hate losing. You don't hate it that much.
Tina: Mm-hmm. Well, and you know what? And that's what, in, in regards to voice acting, you know, I hear a lot of talent, people that are, who are natural at these, naturals, but they don't put the work in to get to that next level.
John: Right.
Tina: And that's the thing. You, it's not gonna come to you. They're not gonna find you. They don't know you're a voice actor. You gotta let people know you're a voice actor. Right. You've gotta get it out there, you know? There
John: are people who are, when you meet them- Mm ... they're better than the average person.
Mm-hmm. But you're not better than a voice actor-
Tina: Yeah ...
John: who gets paid to do this. Mm-hmm. Right? And you have to think about that, because you want work that they have or they're getting, right? Yeah. And so, in theory, and this, [00:11:00] I'm not saying you're, you're, you're really doing this, but in theory, you're stealing work from them.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: Which means you have to be as good as them or better.
Tina: Yeah. Yeah.
John: Right? So it's interesting. But, but- Yeah ... so hopefully this helps people. Yes. Okay? Know that th- you will exist in the in between. You will go through the in between- Mm-hmm ... to get to your future successful you or your s- or your future excellent you.
However you- Yeah ... wanna look at it. Success, I think, is measured in different ways, by the way. Yes, it is, absolutely. So when I talk about success, I'm not necessarily talking about money. That could be part of it.
Tina: Yeah.
John: That's individualized, right? Mm-hmm. Each person decides what success means to them. Mm-hmm.
Sometimes success is just like you said, really loving something-
Tina: Yeah,
John: and, yeah ... and being really good at it and being happy. That, that's success, too.
Tina: Yeah.
John: And sometimes it's, it's that and money. Sometimes it's just mon- Mm-hmm. Who knows? But whatever success is for you, there is a journey to get there.
Tina: Yeah.
John: And it's called the in between, at least that's, that's what I call it.
Tina: That's what, yeah. That's what I call it. But we'll get you out of that and moving in the right direction. That's
John: right. Yes. That's right. All right, so- ... there we go. Uh, I wanna thank everybody very much for, uh, listening. I [00:12:00] was gonna say attending, like people- Yeah.
the studio audience.
Tina: Hi,
John: guys. Studio audience, hello. Uh, no one. Uh, we'll do AI. We'll do AI and put, um, a, a studio... Do you see when people do that and they have, like, extra arms and stuff? It's so funny people do that.
Tina: Oh, we'll have to do that, 'cause I really...
John: Somebody, I think, I think, I don't wanna say the person's name.
I don't wanna get, you know. No. There was an entertainer who did it, and people knew immediately- Yeah. ... that it was an AI crowd. Like, we're not doing that. No. We have no, we have no one here, so we're not pretending. Yeah. Uh, so no studio audience. Yeah. Maybe someday we'll do. Someday. That, that's the next step, I guess.
Tina: Yeah.
John: But, uh, I wanna thank-
Tina: We're in between right now.
John: Yeah. We'll get there. There you go. There you go. So I wanna thank everybody very much for listening. Again, [email protected] with questions, comments, whatevs.
Tina: Yep, and [email protected].
John: All right, we out.
Tina: I'm waiting for you to say John G. now.
John: John G. John.
Tina: And I'm Tina.
John: And this is Voice Coaches Radio, and the episode we're gonna talk about or that we're gonna do today- Mm-hmm ... is gonna be called The In Between.
Tina: The In Between.
John: Yeah, which almost sounds ominous, like a horror movie or something.
Yeah. The In Between. But the reason I wanna talk about this is there's people who are sitting on the couch right now. They're not voice actors- Mm-hmm ... just, just regular people, right? They're not, they're not, uh, they're not voice actors yet- Mm-hmm ... but maybe they've been told they have a good voice. And there's a lot of people, and this, by the way, applies to everything in life.
Tina: Okay.
John: Okay? But they're just sitting on their couch, and then all of a sudden, you know, maybe, maybe they've been told for a while. Mm-hmm. This happens quite a [00:01:00] bit. People come- Yeah ... to my webinar, for example. They've been told, uh, many, many times they have a great voice. Mm-hmm.
Tina: Yes.
John: All right. So there's, that's you.
That's your person now. There's, there is another you. There's another version of you, and that ver- Mm ... another version of you is the voice actor way down the line. Okay. A suc- a successful voice actor. Mm-hmm. Okay? So there's you sitting on the couch right now. There's a successful voice actor. There's something called the in between, okay?
Yeah. The in between is you doing all the things you have to do-
Tina: To get... Yes ...
John: to get to that point. Okay. Unfortunately, people don't, no one wants to live in the in between. I get it. Mm-hmm. Right? Uh, but it's necessary. Yes. So people do this thing where they go, "Well, I've been told I have a good voice. I just feel like I could be a voice actor."
Mm. No. There's the in between. I, let me compare this to, to a sport, right? So when I was in high school and college, I wrestled, right? I wrestled all year.
Tina: Yeah.
John: I ran to school, and that was not close. I ran to school and ran back. Even in the winter. [00:02:00] I wrestled all year round
Tina: Mm-hmm
John: I was ranked 10th in the country.
I, my son, when he went to high school, wanted to wrestle Mm-hmm He didn't wanna do any of those things. No. He would love to be great. He wanted to be great-
Tina: Yep ...
John: but he didn't wanna do the in between. In between, yeah So he never was great. Mm-hmm He was an average wrestler at best. And there's nothing wrong with that either, by the way.
If you- No ... that's fine
Tina: Yeah
John: But he's not going anywhere. Mm-mm Like, he's not gonna, he's not going to college to, for wrestling- Yeah ... or, and to wrestle at c- college. He's not, not going to Olympics. W- wrestle, it's a sport. A- any sport's the same, right? Yeah But it's the same in life, right? Yeah This applies to everything.
If you wanna be a voice actor, okay, and you're just a, a person that has never done voiceovers- Mm-hmm ... you will exist in the in between-
Tina: Yes ...
John: for a certain amount of time. There are things you must do. There are steps- Mm-hmm ... you have to take, and you cannot skip them. Right? You're gonna, you're going to get voice coaching.
You're going to.
Tina: Yes, you have. Or
John: get some kind of voiceover training. Yes. Yep. You're going to then have someone help you and get a demo produced. Mm-hmm You, you do not do that yourself. So you're gonna have hopefully the same people that help you with the voice [00:03:00] coaching. Mm-hmm They're gonna help you with the demo.
Tina: Yeah
John: And then you actually have to go out and get work. And you're going to- Yes ... have to do it.
Tina: Yes
John: That, that section right there is called- Mm-hmm ... the in between. Yes. Then you start getting work, and you start becoming successful. That's the future you. It's not the now you.
Tina: No, no,
John: no. That is not the now you.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: It's the future you. I- okay? Mm-hmm So there is that in between. You have to accept that, mentally prepare for that. And I don't- Mm-hmm ... think people do.
Tina: I, you know, you notice that when- Especially after, after going like the first class or even the second class when we're going through these steps to get yourself as a, a voice actor, I hear a lot of people go, "Wow, it's not what I thought.
I thought it would just be me reading paper and that's it." You know? So you have to get that, 'cause the in-between is learning how to do that.
John: Yes.
Tina: You know? Absolutely learning how to
John: do it. The steps necessary. Yeah. This, this applies to everything.
Tina: Everything.
John: Everything
Tina: in life. Absolutely.
John: Right? Yeah. If I wanted to, if I decided I wanted to play, everyone's playing [00:04:00] pickleball, right?
Mm-hmm. That's the new thing. Yeah. Although maybe it's not even new now, but you know, everyone's doing... Everyone's like, I have friends who go, "Hey, wanna play pickleball?" No. Why? I, I'm not interested. If I was- Yeah ... I am a, I'm one of those people, I get obsessed. Mm-hmm. So I know that if I wanted to be good at pickleball-
Tina: Mm-hmm
John: I would have to d- I would have to exist in the in-between.
Tina: Yes.
John: Where I would have to learn how to play pickleball. Mm-hmm. I would probably not be good at it for a while. Mm-hmm. I'd have to h- I'd do all kinds of... I'm crazy like that. I'd probably take lessons. I would do everything.
Tina: Yes.
John: I would take lessons how to play pickleball.
I would do that. I, like, 'cause I'm competitive. So, um, but I don't, I'm not interested. Yeah. So I don't do it. Mm-hmm. Okay? But if you're interested in something, and for you not to exist in the in-between, you might as well not be interested.
Tina: That's true.
John: Right? That's very true, yeah. Because you're not going to succeed.
Tina: No.
John: You're, there, there's this version of you that you're never going to achieve- Mm-hmm ... because you're not willing to put the work in.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Right? You have to be willing. Mm-hmm. Mentally, and maybe people just aren't mentally prepared for it, and I don't know why people, and we're here for voiceo- why people for some reason [00:05:00] assume voiceovers is different.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Right? Uh, oh, I, well, I have a good voice. That's all I need. That is not all you need.
Tina: No.
John: Believe me. It's not quite that easy. It, believe me- Yeah ... this is not the hardest job in the world. The, in my opinion, the best job in the world. Mm-hmm,
Tina: yep.
John: But that makes it even more, to me that makes it- Mm-hmm ... even more obvious that- Yeah
if this is the best job in the world, there's an in between to get to that spot, right? Yeah. Not everyone's gonna get to do the best job in the world and make- Mm-hmm ... a ton of money doing it.
Tina: No, no.
John: There is an in between.
Tina: Yes. And you have to take the steps to get there. And it, it will, will get you there, will definitely help you get to that direction.
It's, but it's not, I, I don't know. I mean, you, you, you're right about, you have to get to that point. You gotta learn this stuff, you know? They wouldn't send you, you know, if you're, I don't know, a mechanic that's just open up the hood, "Well, do whatever you want." You know? I mean-
John: Yeah ...
Tina: you gotta learn how to do it.
Yes. And that's the same with voice acting.
John: Absolutely.
Tina: It is not, as much as, yes, you are reading, there's techniques to it, you know? And that's the thing. You can't just pull the paper and
John: just read. There's techniques. There's learning how to go [00:06:00] out and get work. There's- Mm-hmm ... you have to learn everything.
Yes. Right? I mean, it, it's, it's just so interesting when I, when I hear people are like, "Oh, I just thought I would just do it."
Tina: Yeah.
John: And I'm like, "Do what? Tell me what exactly you were going to do."
Tina: Yeah. Right?
John: Yeah. It's, like, so interesting. Uh, everything in life has to have, ha- has to have the in between.
Mm-hmm. Everything. No matter what you're gonna do. You play football, you play baseball. You- Mm-hmm ... you were, you don't start off good. There's the you that's not good.
Tina: No,
John: absolutely. There's the you- Yeah ... that's good. And to get to the you that's good or the you- Mm-hmm ... that's successful in whatever it is you wanna do, there is the in between.
And the in between is the work, the learning-
Tina: Mm-hmm ...
John: all of it that you're gonna put in to get- Yeah ... to that point.
Tina: It, and we'll help you. We'll definitely help you- Yeah ... get there.
John: And speaking of that, I, you know- Mm-hmm ... we didn't mention this last episode, uh- Oh ... uh, to my memory.
Tina: Yep.
John: Um, but again, if you would like to meet me, uh- Go to the webinar.
Yes. Go to voicecoaches.com. Mm-hmm. Go to, uh, you'll, you'll see, um,
Tina: the- I think e- events tab.
John: Is it events?
Tina: Yeah, that should... I mean, the front page, I think, tells you that when there's the next- Yeah ... webinar, [00:07:00] webinar. But if not, the events page will tell you.
John: Yeah, yeah. And so, so you can sign up for a webinar.
Mm-hmm. And if you wanna get 50% off that webinar-
Tina: Mm-hmm ...
John: uh, the code is pod, P-O-D. Ah.
Tina: Look how easy that is.
John: Yeah, very easy. And you can come. So w- and just to, and I know I've talked about this in- Mm ... prior episodes, but for anyone who's new, it's an intro to voice acting webinar, and I do give you a chance to read to me.
Mm-hmm. At the very end, you know, for, for the people- Yeah ... who wanna stick around a little late- Mm-hmm ... read to me. I give them a chance to read to me, and you get some feedback on your voice, which can be helpful if this is something you're interested in. No, it,
Tina: it, it really is. It kinda will help you, okay, do I really wanna do this or not?
Where do you... It's like when, 'cause then you'll listen, and you'll say to them where you hear their voice. Yeah.
John: You know? Yeah. So. And if you hear me
go, "Ooh." "Ooh." I'm joking. That's what it did to me. He's like, "Really? Are you sure you wanna do this?" You're like, "Oh, ooh. That was good. Yeah." No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Yeah. All right, cool. So yeah, okay. So I just wanted to talk a bit about that because it, um, the in between, just because there's this... I, I've met [00:08:00] s- many people who actually, and I've, I've mentioned this before on here, and I think you've mentioned it too, I have met people who come to my webinar who are actually disappointed to find out- Mm-hmm
there's more to it.
Tina: Yeah. Same ones. Yeah. And I,
John: and I find that, I find that interesting only because- Mm-hmm ... to me, nothing worth doing- uh, is easy. Mm-hmm. A- and not only that, if everyone could do it, what would make you think that you're coming in at the right time? True. Like, you know, like-
Tina: Yeah ...
John: if everyone could do it-
Tina: Mm-hmm
John: like, literally there's nothing to it. Yeah, yeah. You know, like there's no in between. Just like you decide you wanna be a voice actor- Mm ... you're a voice actor. There wouldn't be a ton of money in this, would there?
Tina: No, absolutely not. I know that. I know that. There, there's
John: a lot of money- Yeah ... in voiceovers.
There really is. Uh, and so y- Yeah. And if you know, and if, and I'm guessing you know that- ... which is why you're showing up to, uh, an intro.
Tina: Yeah.
John: You know there's money in it. Mm. So you have to know there's more to it than you think.
Tina: Yes. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't f- I think a lot of people come and... See, I think on my end when I talk to students, um, it's more of they are looking more [00:09:00] for that creative side.
Maybe they just don't wanna tell me they're in it for the money, but, uh, Well,
John: that's fine too. By the way, that's a great reason to do something. Let me say that. Yeah. There's a g- the, the best reason to do anything in life, including voiceovers- Mm-hmm ... is because you think you'd love it.
Tina: Yes.
John: You think you'd like it.
You'd enjoy it. Yes. That's the best reason to do it because I find those people do f- find success-
Tina: Yes, yes ...
John: because they love it. Mm-hmm. So that's the best reason to do something.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Um, but still even then- Yeah ... if you just wanna be good at something just because you love it, there's still the in between.
Tina: Yes, there is, and you have to get... You gotta get there to be good.
John: Yeah.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Yeah. And things become... Let's face it. Mm. Things are a lot more fun when you're good.
Tina: Yeah. You
John: know? Yeah. Like, I had a, I had a kid that wrestled on... I w- coach, coach wrestling, and I had a kid on my team that was naturally gifted. Mm.
Here's a great example of this. There was a kid on my team that was naturally gifted, and he was. And he was better, he was better than a lot of the kids that did do off season.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: He just was naturally gifted.
Tina: Yeah.
John: But he wasn't that good. He wasn't good enough to go any further, and he was- Yeah
getting bummed. He would lose to kids who were that good.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And [00:10:00] he would say, "I really hate losing." And I would say, "Well, you c- you control that." Yeah. "You can, you can- Mm-hmm ... go to off-season programs. You can learn more. You can put more work in." And he's like, "Yeah."
Tina: Yeah. "
John: I don't hate losing that much."
Tina: Yeah.
John: He literally didn't wanna put the work in. He's like, "I don't like losing, but I don't like it enough to put the work in."
Tina: Yeah. Yeah.
John: Okay. Then that's, then, uh, I don't wanna hear you say you hate losing. You don't hate it that much.
Tina: Mm-hmm. Well, and you know what? And that's what, in, in regards to voice acting, you know, I hear a lot of talent, people that are, who are natural at these, naturals, but they don't put the work in to get to that next level.
John: Right.
Tina: And that's the thing. You, it's not gonna come to you. They're not gonna find you. They don't know you're a voice actor. You gotta let people know you're a voice actor. Right. You've gotta get it out there, you know? There
John: are people who are, when you meet them- Mm ... they're better than the average person.
Mm-hmm. But you're not better than a voice actor-
Tina: Yeah ...
John: who gets paid to do this. Mm-hmm. Right? And you have to think about that, because you want work that they have or they're getting, right? Yeah. And so, in theory, and this, [00:11:00] I'm not saying you're, you're, you're really doing this, but in theory, you're stealing work from them.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: Which means you have to be as good as them or better.
Tina: Yeah. Yeah.
John: Right? So it's interesting. But, but- Yeah ... so hopefully this helps people. Yes. Okay? Know that th- you will exist in the in between. You will go through the in between- Mm-hmm ... to get to your future successful you or your s- or your future excellent you.
However you- Yeah ... wanna look at it. Success, I think, is measured in different ways, by the way. Yes, it is, absolutely. So when I talk about success, I'm not necessarily talking about money. That could be part of it.
Tina: Yeah.
John: That's individualized, right? Mm-hmm. Each person decides what success means to them. Mm-hmm.
Sometimes success is just like you said, really loving something-
Tina: Yeah,
John: and, yeah ... and being really good at it and being happy. That, that's success, too.
Tina: Yeah.
John: And sometimes it's, it's that and money. Sometimes it's just mon- Mm-hmm. Who knows? But whatever success is for you, there is a journey to get there.
Tina: Yeah.
John: And it's called the in between, at least that's, that's what I call it.
Tina: That's what, yeah. That's what I call it. But we'll get you out of that and moving in the right direction. That's
John: right. Yes. That's right. All right, so- ... there we go. Uh, I wanna thank everybody very much for, uh, listening. I [00:12:00] was gonna say attending, like people- Yeah.
the studio audience.
Tina: Hi,
John: guys. Studio audience, hello. Uh, no one. Uh, we'll do AI. We'll do AI and put, um, a, a studio... Do you see when people do that and they have, like, extra arms and stuff? It's so funny people do that.
Tina: Oh, we'll have to do that, 'cause I really...
John: Somebody, I think, I think, I don't wanna say the person's name.
I don't wanna get, you know. No. There was an entertainer who did it, and people knew immediately- Yeah. ... that it was an AI crowd. Like, we're not doing that. No. We have no, we have no one here, so we're not pretending. Yeah. Uh, so no studio audience. Yeah. Maybe someday we'll do. Someday. That, that's the next step, I guess.
Tina: Yeah.
John: But, uh, I wanna thank-
Tina: We're in between right now.
John: Yeah. We'll get there. There you go. There you go. So I wanna thank everybody very much for listening. Again, [email protected] with questions, comments, whatevs.
Tina: Yep, and [email protected].
John: All right, we out.
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