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Voice Coaches Radio Episode 713 ” The VO Confidence Episode”
John: [00:00:00] All right. Hello my friends, by the way, Tina, you should start this. One of these times. I'm always starting it. I'm starting it. I'm John.
Tina: I'm Tina
John: and his voice coaches radio. I thought we gonna do it together. We didn't, Tina. Alright.
Tina: I'm always one step behind. Always. Always.
John: Alright, so here we are and as we.
Kind of alluded to last time. Mm-hmm. Or, right?
Tina: Yes.
John: Yeah.
Tina: Last week.
John: Yeah. Last week, uh, we're gonna talk about, or this is gonna be called the vo confidence episode.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And what does that mean exactly? We're gonna talk about the reason some people don't start and why maybe you should ignore those feelings, right?
Like, um. Like, I think people feel like imposters.
Tina: Yes.
John: I get that from people mm-hmm. Who say, people tell me I have a good voice, but I, I just feel like an imposter. Mm-hmm. You know, uh, even, you know, I even have people who start [00:01:00] coming through our program and they still feel it.
Tina: Yeah.
John: You know? So let's talk a bit about that.
Tina: Well, a lot of what I tell students, because, you know, we go through, we go through this. The class is together and, um, we get to one certain point, you know, and I, you can, you can tell when they're not feeling comfortable, you know, oh, I'm not sure if I should be doing this. And I, and I, I said, no, first of all, I make sure I talk to them about it, you know?
And I said, no, you got a great voice. You, you are, you're picking up all the techniques. I can hear that conversational sound. This is what I tell them after when we're towards the end. I said, always remember. If they call you up and say, Hey, we'd like to have you read this for us. There's a reason. They like your voice.
They want your voice. So they that always remember you're in that booth for a reason. They already said it's your voice.
John: Yes.
Tina: So, because people do lack that confidence, they really, really do. I just had someone today and, and uh, a class, she's a beautiful voice and she's a natural [00:02:00] and, um, she just goes. I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm like, no, you're a natural storyteller. You know, every technique that we've gone through, you've picked up. Um, and she goes, I just never thought I could. I go. But you can. You know, so every, they're people, all people, not all people, but a lot of people do come in and they, they lack that confidence. They hear, yes, I got a great voice.
But then they're thinking, I can't do this. Yes, you can.
John: And I think they don't think it either. And that, that's an in, that's an inside thing, you know? Mm-hmm. Uh, I think even before you start. On your voiceover journey?
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: I think many people, I've heard people say, I can't even tell you how many times where I speak to someone like they're reading to me after the webinar, let's say.
Mm-hmm. But, or I meet them here and they'll say something like, I've been told my whole life. I have a good voice, but I just don't believe it. And I always think that's such a bizarre thing. Yeah. It's like. Why, you know, it's like, it's like a thing where we don't want to say. Mm-hmm. My favorite is even when people will tell you, some people won't even say it out loud.
Like instead of saying, people have told me my whole life, I have a great voice. Yeah. I have people who will [00:03:00] say, I just had this happen. I've had people tell me my whole life. I have a decent voice. I'm like. No one has said decent. No
Tina: one said decent. No.
John: That's not a compliment. No. Like if someone said, you're decent looking, I'd be like,
Tina: uh, yeah.
Okay. How do I take that?
John: I don't, I'm gonna, Hmm. You know what? You're decent looking. That's not a compliment.
Tina: No.
John: No one said to you, you have a decent voice. They probably said, you have an amazing voice.
Tina: Yes.
John: You, you have a great voice. Wow. I love your voice. Embrace it. Mm-hmm. You know, you don't have to go the other way and go, I have the best voice in the world.
Tina: No, but you,
John: but embrace it. Listen, people are telling you it's true, right? Yes. How many people have to say it before you go? Okay. People think I have a good voice. You don't have to think it about yourself, but people think, I have a great voice. I should, you know, I should use this. Mm-hmm.
Tina: Yeah.
John: It's a gift.
Tina: It it is. It's, it's funny because I tell people, when they tell me that, I said, think about it. I go, do you think they would ever come up to you and say, wow, your voice is terrible? No. So there really are paying you a compliment. Yes. You know, and that's how I, that's how I like to look at it so that they, [00:04:00] they really mean it, they really do mean it.
But we are our worst critics of our own voice.
John: Oh, 100%. Yeah.
Tina: It does not matter how many, I've been in broadcasting for 35 years. There's times when I have my headphones on and I'm doing a break and I'm just going, that's me. What?
John: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Tina: So, yeah. So it, we are our worst critics, but we still, you know, you can do this.
It's, it is building up that confidence within yourself, you know? Yes.
John: And the, the other one is once people get into it, and I've had, and when I used to do. And I know this is, you do a lot of the coaching now. Mm-hmm. And I used to do a lot of coaching, but even when I am producing demos now
Tina: mm-hmm.
John: I have people say, like when I ask them to do something, I just feel silly.
I just feel silly doing it. I feel silly. Like I feel like I'm over the top. I feel like, like I'm saying, I, I say be sarcastic, you know?
Tina: Yeah.
John: And, and they just gimme a little and I say, no, no, no, no. I, I want you to be
Tina: lean into
John: it. Okay.
Tina: Yeah.
John: So it, it's time to buy a new car. And they're like, I just feel silly.
I'm like, you're in a room full of people. This is what we do.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And by [00:05:00] the way, it doesn't keep in mind that I know when. Okay. First of all, we talk like this all the time. That's the thing I try to get across to people. 'cause people say I feel like I'm being over the top. And I always say, because this is true, you're always over the top.
Tina: Yeah.
John: In conversation, we are always over the top. Mm-hmm. Always like, you never just say anything. Everything you say is important to you. And so you have some kind of an emotion attached to it and, and people know what it is, right? Like if you call your buddy on the phone and you say, Hey, how's it going today?
And they go, great.
Tina: Yeah.
John: You're like, well, that person's doing great. No, you go, oh, you okay.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Like, you know, because we always have an emotion attached. Mm-hmm. But as soon as I ask someone to do that, when they read mm-hmm. That's when they feel in their mind they feel silly because we don't do that when we read.
We've been taught our entire life just to read something.
Tina: Yeah. Just go ahead and read it. Stand up Uhhuh
John: project to the room and just read it and get it over with.
Tina: Yeah. Unless you're on stage to act it out, that's it. Right. But in otherwise, you stand up, you look at it, you read it, that's
John: it. Right. And, but now I'm asking you [00:06:00] to really.
We want you to sound natural. And being natural means attaching emotion to your words. Mm-hmm. And really letting people, especially when there's no visual
Tina: Yeah.
John: Recommend. There's no visual, no one can see your in voice acting. No one can see your facial expressions. No one can see your body movements. All they have to go on is your voice.
Mm-hmm. And so, and if you lose someone, if they don't get it, like if they don't know, Hmm. Is this person being sarcastic? I don't
Tina: Yeah.
John: What, what's, you've lost them at that point 'cause they can't connect with you.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And so you have to get over this feeling silly part because. Every, especially voiceovers, everyone in the room, we've seen it all.
Tina: Yeah.
John: And we've done it all.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: So you, you don't have to be silly in front of us. We're all silly.
Tina: Yeah.
John: If that's what we have, you know what I mean?
Tina: You know, also, I always tell students, I go, just think about it. Nobody sees you. So go ahead and, and be animated, you know? Yeah. If you've gotta move around to get to that, no one is looking at you.
They're looking. Even if you're in a studio where um, there is a booth and then you know the engineer is right there and you can see the engineer. He's not really looking [00:07:00] at you. He's reading the script. He's following along.
John: Yeah,
Tina: on the script. He's not looking at you at all. Not at all. Nobody's looking at you.
No, they're just listening. So go ahead. And I always say go outside of the box.
John: Yeah,
Tina: be outside. They'll pull you in if they think you're too fast and
John: they're impressed. Lemme say when you really go for it. Yes. Even if it's something, lemme just say this if you really go for it. Even if it's not quite what they want.
Believe me, they're impressed. Mm-hmm. I'd rather have someone in the booth. B, what they think is over the top and have me like, it's easier to pull someone back than to keep pushing
Tina: them. Yes. It's yes.
John: Like, can you please just do more for me? So yeah, you want to get over that. Don't, don't feel silly. You're, you're around people.
This is what we do.
Tina: This is, yeah, exactly.
John: Yeah. And, and so yeah. Now the other, I think the third one we wanted to talk about was the fear of getting started. Oh
Tina: yeah. Yeah.
John: Right. Again, this the vo confidence mm-hmm. Episode. Mm-hmm. The fear of getting started where people are, I think, scared to take that first step.
Tina: Yeah. It, it is, it is. But I also say, take it as [00:08:00] if. Um, any other job, any and any other type of career that you're going for, you have to make you, you go to school, you graduate, you have the diploma, so what are you gonna do? Just look at the diploma. You have to go out there and try to find This is the same thing.
John: Yeah,
Tina: the same exact thing. You have to go out and find the jobs. You can do it. If we didn't think you could do this, we'd keep, we wouldn't say, okay, we're not ready for the demo just yet. Let's go ahead and do a couple more classes. You know? Yeah. Or let's get you a little more comfortable. Yep. But if you've gone through the whole program, that means you are ready.
John: Right. And, and so there's the fear of getting started there where people have already done everything and they're ready. They're ready to do this. Mm-hmm. And they're like, ah, I don't know. I don't know. But then I even think there's a fear of getting started at all.
Tina: That's true. Yeah.
John: Right. Yeah. People who.
Again, people told 'em they have a good voice or they, they have an interest. Mm-hmm. Regardless of how that can, but they're like, eh,
Tina: yeah.
John: I do think we, and that's people in general, right? Mm-hmm. I think so many people have a fear of doing something new.
Tina: Yes.
John: Right? Because they, they, it's almost like they don't wanna be [00:09:00] bad at it, maybe.
Or there's a fear of failure or,
Tina: or the unknown. Just the
John: unknown. Yeah, the unknown. Right. But to me. The people who succeed in anything and, and, and I'm, I'm talking, um, you know, being successful is different for different people. Mm-hmm. You know, that means something different. Yeah. You know, whether it be money or whether it be just being happy, whether it be accomplishing something you really want to accomplish.
Mm-hmm. But, um, I, I, I feel as though the people who find success however they want to do that are the people who, once they make a decision, they go, okay. I'm just doing this and if I fail, that's cool. Yeah. I'll just get up and do it again or, or I'll realize it's not for me and that's fine too.
Tina: Yeah.
John: There's nothing, I actually don't think there's much, I don't think there's many negative things about failing because there's so much you learn from it. You either learn that, Hey, you know what? This actually isn't for me, or you just get back up, you go, okay, I made a mistake. I know not to do that again.
Tina: Yep.
John: I don't, it's so interesting that people view [00:10:00] failure as as negative because I, I
Tina: don't think it
John: is a
Tina: thing. It, it's, you take it as a learning lesson. You know, I learned, so learned something and, and I failed at it. Okay, now I need to try something different.
John: Isn't everything, not just this. Yeah, not all.
I'll give you. Story that most people here won't care about, but it's, but this is an example of it. There's a, there we're in New York and I, you know, I coached my son's wrestling team. I wrestled in high school, in college. There's a kid, and I don't wanna call him a kid. He, he's, you know, 18, 19 years old now, but his name is PJ Duke.
He was from, and I always say this school room, I think he's missing Valley or the name, name of this high school.
Tina: Okay.
John: He won New York State Championships. Four years in a row.
Tina: Wow, that's, that's good.
John: Got a scholarship to Penn State, the number one wrestling school in the country. He lost a few months ago.
A couple months ago, he lost to the number one ranked wrestler. He's a freshman. Mm-hmm. True Freshman, he lost to the number one ranked wrestler in the country. He just had to wrestle him in the [00:11:00] finals to get into the NCAA tournament and destroyed him.
Tina: Wow.
John: Beat him 20 to seven. Mm-hmm. Right. So now, if he had gotten upset, oh, I just, I lost to the number one guy.
I'm done. I'm, I'm, yeah. Obviously I'm not gonna win.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: NCAA this year. I'm a freshman anyway, so, oh, well, yeah. Why not? No, now he decided to come back. He beat this guy very, now he's the number one ranked wrestler in the country.
Tina: That's
John: great. And he is the number one ranked in the tournament coming up next weekend.
But again, that's all because there's nothing He failed. Big deal. Yeah. Okay. He's not undefeated.
Tina: Yeah,
John: you, you found out, you learn
Tina: from
John: it, you get back up, you do it. You know, I just don't think there's a lot of, we've all failed many times in our lives. Mm-hmm. And we probably all. At some point not handled it well.
Tina: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
John: And that's fine too. You can be upset that you failed, but come back and do it. If you really want something and you really enjoy it.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: You could do it.
Tina: Yeah, definitely stick, keep with it. Give it, you know, you can always do like this three strike type of thing. You know, give it three tries.
After the third, you can always say, uh, all right,
John: yeah,
Tina: [00:12:00] I tried it. You know?
John: Yep.
Tina: If, if you need to take those little steps to Yeah. To do that. But if you're, but if not, just keep going that.
John: Yeah. But if, if you really want something, there's no amount of time you can fail. That's
Tina: enough. You could keep going.
John: Yeah. Just keep, I mean, you, you'll find that some of pe, some people that are super successful in whatever it is
Tina: mm-hmm.
John: They'll tell you, I failed. Yeah, I can't count the amount of times I failed. Yeah. And until I got here, you know, that's just how it goes. That
Tina: was, well that's, that's the thing I, how many times have I gotten a no or to do voiceover?
A ton. Yeah. I've been doing it for a long time.
Yeah.
Tina: A ton. But it just said, okay, let's just keep it how I look at it. They just didn't want my voice. That's all. They wanted something else.
John: And that could be part of the fear too. Maybe the fear of rejection.
Tina: That's true. Yeah. You're
John: gonna get rejected. We've all been rejected in our lives on different levels.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, not me, but other people.
Tina: Never. You never,
John: I already told that story. I was, uh, there was someone that was one of our students that got a job over me. It happens. Yeah. This just happens, you know, it's, it's part of this, but it's part of life in general. Mm-hmm. If you can't take rejection, you must not leave your house at all.
Tina: That's true. Yeah.
John: Yeah. Awesome. So there you go. That [00:13:00] is our vo confidence episode. I think
Tina: I'm confident in that episode.
John: Confident. Yeah. I think we helped everyone.
Tina: Yeah, I think so too.
John: You're welcome. You are welcome. Yeah. Now you can go about your life and be confident in anything you do. And it was all because of this episode.
Tina: Yes, it was
John: of Voice Coaches radio, uh, and again, again. If you want to dip your toe in, you wanna gain some confidence, come to our Intro to Voice acting webinar. Yes, you can find it. It's all over the place. Really. Mm-hmm. Go to our website, voice coaches.com. I'm assuming you know that's what you're here listening, but maybe you don't.
Tina: That's true. I would think so.
John: Voice coaches.com, uh, and sign up for this. And you again, pod A POD, you get 50% off the webinar.
Tina: That's a great deal.
John: It's a really good deal. It's, it's a really good deal. And again, you get to meet me and that's all that matters.
Tina: That that's it in life. Yep. Yep.
John: It's, yep, you got it.
All right. Thank you so much everybody. I'm John John [email protected].
Tina: I'm Tina at Tina at voice
John: coaches com. Oh, right. We [00:14:00] out.
Tina: I'm Tina
John: and his voice coaches radio. I thought we gonna do it together. We didn't, Tina. Alright.
Tina: I'm always one step behind. Always. Always.
John: Alright, so here we are and as we.
Kind of alluded to last time. Mm-hmm. Or, right?
Tina: Yes.
John: Yeah.
Tina: Last week.
John: Yeah. Last week, uh, we're gonna talk about, or this is gonna be called the vo confidence episode.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And what does that mean exactly? We're gonna talk about the reason some people don't start and why maybe you should ignore those feelings, right?
Like, um. Like, I think people feel like imposters.
Tina: Yes.
John: I get that from people mm-hmm. Who say, people tell me I have a good voice, but I, I just feel like an imposter. Mm-hmm. You know, uh, even, you know, I even have people who start [00:01:00] coming through our program and they still feel it.
Tina: Yeah.
John: You know? So let's talk a bit about that.
Tina: Well, a lot of what I tell students, because, you know, we go through, we go through this. The class is together and, um, we get to one certain point, you know, and I, you can, you can tell when they're not feeling comfortable, you know, oh, I'm not sure if I should be doing this. And I, and I, I said, no, first of all, I make sure I talk to them about it, you know?
And I said, no, you got a great voice. You, you are, you're picking up all the techniques. I can hear that conversational sound. This is what I tell them after when we're towards the end. I said, always remember. If they call you up and say, Hey, we'd like to have you read this for us. There's a reason. They like your voice.
They want your voice. So they that always remember you're in that booth for a reason. They already said it's your voice.
John: Yes.
Tina: So, because people do lack that confidence, they really, really do. I just had someone today and, and uh, a class, she's a beautiful voice and she's a natural [00:02:00] and, um, she just goes. I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm like, no, you're a natural storyteller. You know, every technique that we've gone through, you've picked up. Um, and she goes, I just never thought I could. I go. But you can. You know, so every, they're people, all people, not all people, but a lot of people do come in and they, they lack that confidence. They hear, yes, I got a great voice.
But then they're thinking, I can't do this. Yes, you can.
John: And I think they don't think it either. And that, that's an in, that's an inside thing, you know? Mm-hmm. Uh, I think even before you start. On your voiceover journey?
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: I think many people, I've heard people say, I can't even tell you how many times where I speak to someone like they're reading to me after the webinar, let's say.
Mm-hmm. But, or I meet them here and they'll say something like, I've been told my whole life. I have a good voice, but I just don't believe it. And I always think that's such a bizarre thing. Yeah. It's like. Why, you know, it's like, it's like a thing where we don't want to say. Mm-hmm. My favorite is even when people will tell you, some people won't even say it out loud.
Like instead of saying, people have told me my whole life, I have a great voice. Yeah. I have people who will [00:03:00] say, I just had this happen. I've had people tell me my whole life. I have a decent voice. I'm like. No one has said decent. No
Tina: one said decent. No.
John: That's not a compliment. No. Like if someone said, you're decent looking, I'd be like,
Tina: uh, yeah.
Okay. How do I take that?
John: I don't, I'm gonna, Hmm. You know what? You're decent looking. That's not a compliment.
Tina: No.
John: No one said to you, you have a decent voice. They probably said, you have an amazing voice.
Tina: Yes.
John: You, you have a great voice. Wow. I love your voice. Embrace it. Mm-hmm. You know, you don't have to go the other way and go, I have the best voice in the world.
Tina: No, but you,
John: but embrace it. Listen, people are telling you it's true, right? Yes. How many people have to say it before you go? Okay. People think I have a good voice. You don't have to think it about yourself, but people think, I have a great voice. I should, you know, I should use this. Mm-hmm.
Tina: Yeah.
John: It's a gift.
Tina: It it is. It's, it's funny because I tell people, when they tell me that, I said, think about it. I go, do you think they would ever come up to you and say, wow, your voice is terrible? No. So there really are paying you a compliment. Yes. You know, and that's how I, that's how I like to look at it so that they, [00:04:00] they really mean it, they really do mean it.
But we are our worst critics of our own voice.
John: Oh, 100%. Yeah.
Tina: It does not matter how many, I've been in broadcasting for 35 years. There's times when I have my headphones on and I'm doing a break and I'm just going, that's me. What?
John: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Tina: So, yeah. So it, we are our worst critics, but we still, you know, you can do this.
It's, it is building up that confidence within yourself, you know? Yes.
John: And the, the other one is once people get into it, and I've had, and when I used to do. And I know this is, you do a lot of the coaching now. Mm-hmm. And I used to do a lot of coaching, but even when I am producing demos now
Tina: mm-hmm.
John: I have people say, like when I ask them to do something, I just feel silly.
I just feel silly doing it. I feel silly. Like I feel like I'm over the top. I feel like, like I'm saying, I, I say be sarcastic, you know?
Tina: Yeah.
John: And, and they just gimme a little and I say, no, no, no, no. I, I want you to be
Tina: lean into
John: it. Okay.
Tina: Yeah.
John: So it, it's time to buy a new car. And they're like, I just feel silly.
I'm like, you're in a room full of people. This is what we do.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And by [00:05:00] the way, it doesn't keep in mind that I know when. Okay. First of all, we talk like this all the time. That's the thing I try to get across to people. 'cause people say I feel like I'm being over the top. And I always say, because this is true, you're always over the top.
Tina: Yeah.
John: In conversation, we are always over the top. Mm-hmm. Always like, you never just say anything. Everything you say is important to you. And so you have some kind of an emotion attached to it and, and people know what it is, right? Like if you call your buddy on the phone and you say, Hey, how's it going today?
And they go, great.
Tina: Yeah.
John: You're like, well, that person's doing great. No, you go, oh, you okay.
Tina: Yeah.
John: Like, you know, because we always have an emotion attached. Mm-hmm. But as soon as I ask someone to do that, when they read mm-hmm. That's when they feel in their mind they feel silly because we don't do that when we read.
We've been taught our entire life just to read something.
Tina: Yeah. Just go ahead and read it. Stand up Uhhuh
John: project to the room and just read it and get it over with.
Tina: Yeah. Unless you're on stage to act it out, that's it. Right. But in otherwise, you stand up, you look at it, you read it, that's
John: it. Right. And, but now I'm asking you [00:06:00] to really.
We want you to sound natural. And being natural means attaching emotion to your words. Mm-hmm. And really letting people, especially when there's no visual
Tina: Yeah.
John: Recommend. There's no visual, no one can see your in voice acting. No one can see your facial expressions. No one can see your body movements. All they have to go on is your voice.
Mm-hmm. And so, and if you lose someone, if they don't get it, like if they don't know, Hmm. Is this person being sarcastic? I don't
Tina: Yeah.
John: What, what's, you've lost them at that point 'cause they can't connect with you.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: And so you have to get over this feeling silly part because. Every, especially voiceovers, everyone in the room, we've seen it all.
Tina: Yeah.
John: And we've done it all.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: So you, you don't have to be silly in front of us. We're all silly.
Tina: Yeah.
John: If that's what we have, you know what I mean?
Tina: You know, also, I always tell students, I go, just think about it. Nobody sees you. So go ahead and, and be animated, you know? Yeah. If you've gotta move around to get to that, no one is looking at you.
They're looking. Even if you're in a studio where um, there is a booth and then you know the engineer is right there and you can see the engineer. He's not really looking [00:07:00] at you. He's reading the script. He's following along.
John: Yeah,
Tina: on the script. He's not looking at you at all. Not at all. Nobody's looking at you.
No, they're just listening. So go ahead. And I always say go outside of the box.
John: Yeah,
Tina: be outside. They'll pull you in if they think you're too fast and
John: they're impressed. Lemme say when you really go for it. Yes. Even if it's something, lemme just say this if you really go for it. Even if it's not quite what they want.
Believe me, they're impressed. Mm-hmm. I'd rather have someone in the booth. B, what they think is over the top and have me like, it's easier to pull someone back than to keep pushing
Tina: them. Yes. It's yes.
John: Like, can you please just do more for me? So yeah, you want to get over that. Don't, don't feel silly. You're, you're around people.
This is what we do.
Tina: This is, yeah, exactly.
John: Yeah. And, and so yeah. Now the other, I think the third one we wanted to talk about was the fear of getting started. Oh
Tina: yeah. Yeah.
John: Right. Again, this the vo confidence mm-hmm. Episode. Mm-hmm. The fear of getting started where people are, I think, scared to take that first step.
Tina: Yeah. It, it is, it is. But I also say, take it as [00:08:00] if. Um, any other job, any and any other type of career that you're going for, you have to make you, you go to school, you graduate, you have the diploma, so what are you gonna do? Just look at the diploma. You have to go out there and try to find This is the same thing.
John: Yeah,
Tina: the same exact thing. You have to go out and find the jobs. You can do it. If we didn't think you could do this, we'd keep, we wouldn't say, okay, we're not ready for the demo just yet. Let's go ahead and do a couple more classes. You know? Yeah. Or let's get you a little more comfortable. Yep. But if you've gone through the whole program, that means you are ready.
John: Right. And, and so there's the fear of getting started there where people have already done everything and they're ready. They're ready to do this. Mm-hmm. And they're like, ah, I don't know. I don't know. But then I even think there's a fear of getting started at all.
Tina: That's true. Yeah.
John: Right. Yeah. People who.
Again, people told 'em they have a good voice or they, they have an interest. Mm-hmm. Regardless of how that can, but they're like, eh,
Tina: yeah.
John: I do think we, and that's people in general, right? Mm-hmm. I think so many people have a fear of doing something new.
Tina: Yes.
John: Right? Because they, they, it's almost like they don't wanna be [00:09:00] bad at it, maybe.
Or there's a fear of failure or,
Tina: or the unknown. Just the
John: unknown. Yeah, the unknown. Right. But to me. The people who succeed in anything and, and, and I'm, I'm talking, um, you know, being successful is different for different people. Mm-hmm. You know, that means something different. Yeah. You know, whether it be money or whether it be just being happy, whether it be accomplishing something you really want to accomplish.
Mm-hmm. But, um, I, I, I feel as though the people who find success however they want to do that are the people who, once they make a decision, they go, okay. I'm just doing this and if I fail, that's cool. Yeah. I'll just get up and do it again or, or I'll realize it's not for me and that's fine too.
Tina: Yeah.
John: There's nothing, I actually don't think there's much, I don't think there's many negative things about failing because there's so much you learn from it. You either learn that, Hey, you know what? This actually isn't for me, or you just get back up, you go, okay, I made a mistake. I know not to do that again.
Tina: Yep.
John: I don't, it's so interesting that people view [00:10:00] failure as as negative because I, I
Tina: don't think it
John: is a
Tina: thing. It, it's, you take it as a learning lesson. You know, I learned, so learned something and, and I failed at it. Okay, now I need to try something different.
John: Isn't everything, not just this. Yeah, not all.
I'll give you. Story that most people here won't care about, but it's, but this is an example of it. There's a, there we're in New York and I, you know, I coached my son's wrestling team. I wrestled in high school, in college. There's a kid, and I don't wanna call him a kid. He, he's, you know, 18, 19 years old now, but his name is PJ Duke.
He was from, and I always say this school room, I think he's missing Valley or the name, name of this high school.
Tina: Okay.
John: He won New York State Championships. Four years in a row.
Tina: Wow, that's, that's good.
John: Got a scholarship to Penn State, the number one wrestling school in the country. He lost a few months ago.
A couple months ago, he lost to the number one ranked wrestler. He's a freshman. Mm-hmm. True Freshman, he lost to the number one ranked wrestler in the country. He just had to wrestle him in the [00:11:00] finals to get into the NCAA tournament and destroyed him.
Tina: Wow.
John: Beat him 20 to seven. Mm-hmm. Right. So now, if he had gotten upset, oh, I just, I lost to the number one guy.
I'm done. I'm, I'm, yeah. Obviously I'm not gonna win.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: NCAA this year. I'm a freshman anyway, so, oh, well, yeah. Why not? No, now he decided to come back. He beat this guy very, now he's the number one ranked wrestler in the country.
Tina: That's
John: great. And he is the number one ranked in the tournament coming up next weekend.
But again, that's all because there's nothing He failed. Big deal. Yeah. Okay. He's not undefeated.
Tina: Yeah,
John: you, you found out, you learn
Tina: from
John: it, you get back up, you do it. You know, I just don't think there's a lot of, we've all failed many times in our lives. Mm-hmm. And we probably all. At some point not handled it well.
Tina: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
John: And that's fine too. You can be upset that you failed, but come back and do it. If you really want something and you really enjoy it.
Tina: Mm-hmm.
John: You could do it.
Tina: Yeah, definitely stick, keep with it. Give it, you know, you can always do like this three strike type of thing. You know, give it three tries.
After the third, you can always say, uh, all right,
John: yeah,
Tina: [00:12:00] I tried it. You know?
John: Yep.
Tina: If, if you need to take those little steps to Yeah. To do that. But if you're, but if not, just keep going that.
John: Yeah. But if, if you really want something, there's no amount of time you can fail. That's
Tina: enough. You could keep going.
John: Yeah. Just keep, I mean, you, you'll find that some of pe, some people that are super successful in whatever it is
Tina: mm-hmm.
John: They'll tell you, I failed. Yeah, I can't count the amount of times I failed. Yeah. And until I got here, you know, that's just how it goes. That
Tina: was, well that's, that's the thing I, how many times have I gotten a no or to do voiceover?
A ton. Yeah. I've been doing it for a long time.
Yeah.
Tina: A ton. But it just said, okay, let's just keep it how I look at it. They just didn't want my voice. That's all. They wanted something else.
John: And that could be part of the fear too. Maybe the fear of rejection.
Tina: That's true. Yeah. You're
John: gonna get rejected. We've all been rejected in our lives on different levels.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, not me, but other people.
Tina: Never. You never,
John: I already told that story. I was, uh, there was someone that was one of our students that got a job over me. It happens. Yeah. This just happens, you know, it's, it's part of this, but it's part of life in general. Mm-hmm. If you can't take rejection, you must not leave your house at all.
Tina: That's true. Yeah.
John: Yeah. Awesome. So there you go. That [00:13:00] is our vo confidence episode. I think
Tina: I'm confident in that episode.
John: Confident. Yeah. I think we helped everyone.
Tina: Yeah, I think so too.
John: You're welcome. You are welcome. Yeah. Now you can go about your life and be confident in anything you do. And it was all because of this episode.
Tina: Yes, it was
John: of Voice Coaches radio, uh, and again, again. If you want to dip your toe in, you wanna gain some confidence, come to our Intro to Voice acting webinar. Yes, you can find it. It's all over the place. Really. Mm-hmm. Go to our website, voice coaches.com. I'm assuming you know that's what you're here listening, but maybe you don't.
Tina: That's true. I would think so.
John: Voice coaches.com, uh, and sign up for this. And you again, pod A POD, you get 50% off the webinar.
Tina: That's a great deal.
John: It's a really good deal. It's, it's a really good deal. And again, you get to meet me and that's all that matters.
Tina: That that's it in life. Yep. Yep.
John: It's, yep, you got it.
All right. Thank you so much everybody. I'm John John [email protected].
Tina: I'm Tina at Tina at voice
John: coaches com. Oh, right. We [00:14:00] out.
Tina and John talk about having confidence in yourself.
