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Voice Coaches Radio #500 – FIVE-ZERO-ZERO!!!

Voice Coaches Radio. Everything voiceover. And welcome to this week's very special edition of Voice Coaches Radio. I am Josh Heller. Delighted to have you joining me as I am each and every single week. But it is not just any week. It is a very auspicious occasion. And on this auspicious occasion, It seems fitting that we have the man, the myth, the legend himself, and I say this and I do not say this in jest Mr.

David Bourgeois, thank you for taking some time out of your busy schedule to join us because I, I, like I said, no tongue in cheek there Been a bit busy Josh, thanks for interrupting my busy schedule to have me. It's the least I could do. I honestly couldn't be more delighted Well, and it's it's it's fascinating.

I mean You know, you've obviously been there from the start. 500 episodes, it's... That's no small feat. That is a, uh, that is, that is, that is some longevity. It's real impressive. I think I've only heard about 492 of them, but, uh, I'm on it. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep listening. I'm committed. No, it is, it is great.

We, we started it, uh, as I recall. And just, you know, on a lark is something to, uh, uh, primarily for our clients to listen to, uh, and it's spread and we hear from people all over the world. Yeah, and, and, uh, and we just recently had Gail from South Africa calling and, uh, and talking with us. So it, it, it is kind of cool the reach that it's had starting back in 2008 is when it, uh, uh, initially got underway.

Um, did, uh, did you have hair back then? Did I have hair? Back then, yeah. Back in 2008. Uh, I had photos of myself with hair, at the very least. There we go. Well, we got that going for us. We got that going for us. So, you know, it is, it is, it's a good occasion, I think, you know, with something like this to kind of look back at what has changed, uh, over the past, uh, you know, number of years and, and kind of look forward at what probably will continue to change over the next 500 episodes, as it were.

Sure. Well, while I'm at it, Josh, I, uh. I shave my head. You know, it's a choice. At any moment, I could grow a full head of hair. I wish you would. Well, you know, I could do it. I'm not doing it right now. Totally my choice, though. I'm sorry. We want to reflect on something? Yes. No, no, that's okay. That's important.

It's important to put out there. I just like the facts to be straight. That's fair. That's fair. I don't want to... certainly don't want people thinking things that aren't true. No, you, you, you certainly don't. You more than anyone. Well, yes, this is very true. Now, if we go back about a year into, uh, into the show, uh, episode 59, this is back in August of 19, August 19th of 2010.

So a little over 11 years ago. Episode 59. I remember that morning, I got in my car. It was a Thursday, by the way, in case you were curious. Uh, it was a Thursday, so what happened that day is two two young, fresh faced, up and coming lads, uh, voice over neophytes, and Mr. Warren Garling, you may know him, and Mr.

Mike Spring sat down and recorded a podcast episode in which they made five bold predictions about the future Of the voiceover industry, and I thought we'd revisit that. Take a look at those, see how they did, and see how that kind of extrapolates to the future. How, how, what year was that? That was 2010.

Did either either of them predict that they would no longer be in the voiceover field? Uh, no. I don't think that was, uh, that was one of the predictions of the five bold predictions, because I think Warren just started a podcast on his own. He did, he did. Just did. That's good. Yeah. No, they both, uh, they both continue to do voice war.

So if we take a, if we take a trip, shall we, David, into the Wayback Machine with, uh, with Mr. Peabody. Yep. Uh, it was, it was a Thursday, apparently. I had to look that up. Uh, the number one song in the country was Love the Way You Lie by Eminem featuring Rihanna. Uh, the top movie was The Expendables. Uh, action movie and, and the number two movie, which was very close, was I know one of your personal favorites, Eat, Pray, Love, and, uh, I was a sprite 25 year old living in Toledo, Ohio, where I was the broadcaster for the ECHL's Toledo Walleye and the Toledo Mudhens.

I was also living with my then girlfriend of just over a year, who is now my wife and the mother of my child. So I feel like you, uh, you kind of lost me at Toledo Mudhens. Oh, yeah. Classic. What did that sound like when you introduced the Toledo Mudhands? Ladies and gentlemen, your Toledo Mudhands! Oh, they're classic.

Oh, I get it. So, it would be your Toledo. So, you handed the responsibility off to the audience. Yeah, let them handle it. Love that. I don't want anything to do with it. Now... Let's take this for a spin. You'll enjoy this. If we go to our youngest members of the current team, Jordan Newman, the visual media strategist, was 13 years old when this episode came out.

And Josh Zavadil, who is next door to us right now doing some editing, was 8. Years old when this episode came out. I don't feel good about that at all and I and I was 62 Yeah, my I didn't have a beard at the time But if I did it would not be as gray as it is now So the first thing that they predicted it was a they said it was a bold prediction But I got to be honest with you David I don't think there's all that bold but it was that the industry has been growing and will continue to Well, I'm not sure how bold this first one is, but voice acting will continue to grow.

Yes, that is. Yeah, that's, uh, that's not exactly going out on a limb. It's quite a reach. But, uh, but I mean, it was, it was true. It is true. The industry has continued to grow exponentially and continues to do so. And David, I'm going to really put myself out there and say, I think it will continue to do so moving forward.

High risk prediction, Josh. We'll see what happens. Bold move on my part. Um, but obviously, I mean, that's, there's no question. It has been a, a burgeoning industry and, you know, continues to be so. And, you know, when we're sitting, uh, you know, nine plus years from now on episode one thousand, probably will be safe to say, continuing to grow, unless the robots have taken over.

Uh, that is a bold assertion. Yeah, I thought so. I thought so. Number two, internet business training and educational training will be one of the bigger parts of the industry. Their belief that more companies were going to do that rather than have to send people out for training or bring people in for training.

Our second prediction is that one of the biggest areas of growth will be connected to the internet and how businesses more specifically are using it. Think about it. With the economy the way it is, what's cheaper? Do you pack up a couple of your employees and send them down to New York City to stay in a fancy hotel for three days of education and hope that they get something out of it?

Or do you sit them in front of their computer for a couple of hours a day for a few weeks so they can get that new education? Somebody's got to voice that, and that's where the growth is. That is absolutely true. We really started to see a shift about a decade ago. There was an organization at the time called the American Society for Training and Development, and I remember they had me come out.

To speak to all of these career trainers who are accustomed to getting up in front of people and, you know, doing the training thing and all of a sudden, uh, nationwide, uh, trainers were in, uh. Uh, crisis a little bit because so much training was moving to web based training. And these career trainers who were accustomed to being in front of groups of people, and they had the skill to be in front of a group of people, all of a sudden were forced without it.

Thank you. realizing it to become voice actors, and they were not voice actors. So, the training became much less effective. Uh, we came in to do a crash course in, you know, how to, basically, how to positively impact a read. Uh, but this is a, this is an enormous area of growth. And most recently with the pandemic, many companies that, uh, used in person communication, we're, we're sort of forced to move over to voiceover.

And as, fortunately, the pandemic has begun to, uh, leave us, uh, hopefully, uh, We've seen many of the companies that contracted us, uh, for first time, uh, voiceover work. They've chosen to continue to use voiceover, uh, in that manner. Uh, it's more cost effective. Uh, also, it's more dynamic. You know, if you have a change in a product or a service or a, uh, a regulation of some kind, uh, it's much easier to get a voice actor to come in and adjust a piece of recorded content, uh, versus bringing, uh, uh, Uh, you know, a whole team of professionals and, and putting them in front of a trainer.

So, uh, that is a good prediction and one that is solidly come true. All right. Well, we are two for two so far. Now, number three was that businesses would utilize in house studios. more than before. Number three of our five bold predictions is that more businesses will construct their own in house studios.

It's getting less expensive to do so more equipment available. And of course, again, cheaper to actually have someone come into your place of business than to have to lease out a recording studio somewhere. While you should continue to market yourself to studios, marketing yourself to businesses themselves is even better.

Or is it, is also something you should be doing because they may not need to utilize the studio for that. And I do think that's, that certainly is something that has happened as well. It is. Building, um, I... I am very much a big proponent of building direct relationships with the end user. Uh, I think there has been an increase in businesses having production capability on site.

There has been a bigger increase in voice actors having home recording capability. And marketing themselves to, uh, the business community as a complete service. I can provide the boys. I can provide the recording. I can provide the, uh, audio post production. Uh, it really gives voice actors who delve into that a great advantage.

Yeah, no question about that. And that is. I think unquestionably something that's going to continue to grow. You mentioned, you know, uh, when we were talking about the, uh, the educational part of it. But, you know, during the pandemic, that's something that was also much more prevalent because many studios were closed, but voiceover work needed to go on.

We did a lot of the stuff on the, on the professional production side of what we do remotely for sure. Yep. And for me personally, I Finished and created my own home studio during that because it was, you know, obviously conducive at the time and will continue to be. You gonna get the, uh, Toledo hens in there?

You know, I might. We'll see. Good. Good, good, good. Oh, mud hens. My bad. How dare me. I'm surprised you're focusing on the mud hens and not the walleye. That was the one that threw me off. I didn't even know what that was. It's a fish, by the way, in case you were curious. I'm familiar with those. It's a type of fish.

I was not. I'm concerned about mud hens. So, uh, so the mud hens, uh, are you familiar with Jamie Farr? He was on M. A. uh, Clinger on M. he is from Toledo. And if you watch M. A. S. H., he talks about the Mudhens quite a bit. It's a, it's a, uh, a minor league baseball team. It's a triple A baseball team that's been around for, I mean, decades.

And he actually talks about the Mudhens and going back and seeing games. And is a partial owner of the team. Fun facts. Fun facts. Not bad. All right, number four on our list is that social media will continue to grow and that it can and should be used as marketing, uh, as a, as a component of marketing moving forward.

Number four on our top five list, social media will grow in importance as a means of marketing your services. Again, even in 2010, I think that's a pretty easy assessment to make, seeing how things had gone. And when you think about it, in 2010, there was Facebook, Twitter had been around, but not for very long, Myspace was still around, that's no longer is, Instagram didn't come out until two months after the podcast was recorded, back in October of 2010.

Tick tock was five years later, and I'm sure I'm forgetting or missing social media stuff because I'm not all that hip and cool, but clearly social media is a, I think, for the most part, a very large part of, you know, marketing utilization using that. And that doesn't include linked in. There's another one.

I should throw out there. Sure, I think so. And, uh, I think the cautionary, potentially cautionary tale here is, uh, be wary of using your personal social media for, uh, front facing business marketing. Uh, well, I mean, keep yourself in check. Take a good look at your personal social media and make a determination of whether you want potential business contacts to I think, uh,

I, I, I think sometimes it makes sense and LinkedIn's very, very good for this. But when you look at the Facebooks or the Instagrams of the world, I think, uh, having a separate business identity might not be a bad idea. Uh, and I also say as important as social media is to marketing, nothing beats building a real relationship with somebody, um, and that can start on social media for sure.

Uh, but just be, you know, be aware of what you're putting out there. Oh, no question. One of the things that, that they mentioned that, you know, I, I think does is a huge tool is, you know, having, you know, updates and things like that on mentioned Facebook in particular, but it could be any of these leading to conversations with people when you see them in person, you know, Hey, I saw that you did this.

And then having that kind of developed from there, it can be a good starting point. Yeah. Yeah. Great icebreaker for sure. Hey, another one on social media that I want to throw out there. And, um, Uh, it's something I'm in the middle of right now. Uh, be careful of conducting business communication with, with somebody I'm receiving and with their personal page.

And I'll give you an example of that. Uh, I'm, uh, some of the people who follow this might know, I'm also in the music industry. And, uh, we have a record I just produced that's in the Billboard Top 40 right now and climbing. And we have radio relationships. All over the United States, and many of those, uh, radio professionals, uh, I'm, uh, quote unquote friends with on Facebook.

Uh, some of them I'm, uh, friends with in life, actually. Um, believe me, when a radio station isn't spinning the single as much as they should, I want to reach out to them. to that person on their social media and say, Hey, what's going on here? But you can't do that. You've got, I mean, if they had a business profile, that would be a different ballgame.

But just, you know, even if you do use a personal profile to do some sort of soft icebreaking type of business, you know, don't Get into somebody's personal space with business stuff on a on a personal social media platform unless they engage you You know what? I what I've said to people is, you know, social media is a good tool to be used with others It's a passive tool you place stuff up there and You're waiting for people to go to your page or to see this or to click on that which is fine Along with being more aggressive going out and reaching out to companies specifically, so I think it's something you can do, and it doesn't take a ton of, you know, a ton of legwork to do.

You can spend most of your time, but still have that up there as, you know, a tool, and if something, you know, if someone sees it and brings up a conversation, it can certainly be a worthwhile thing to look into. Absolutely. Now, the last thing that was mentioned was, Smartphone voiceover apps will be a large part of voiceover moving forward.

Number five, the smartphone will continue to evolve and more and more apps will have voiceover components. I mean, it just really does stand to reason. We're getting there. Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, it's, it's coming along. And obviously the apps are, I mean, there's. Plenty of them. My son plays with them on the iPad.

I don't know what they are. Um, but yeah, I mean, I do think, I gotta be honest. When I saw that there were five bold predictions, I wasn't blown away by the boldness of said predictions, but the accuracy is actually pretty good. Yeah, uh, they did real well. I think, uh... One, if I remember right, and it's going back a bunch of years, uh, Mike, I think it was, had suggested, he thought, uh, by around 2020, 2021, that microphones, instead of being, uh, you know, on a mic stand or in a suspension mount, would just float in the air in front of you.

And, uh, we talked, we went over that prediction and we decided to scratch it. off. I mean, it would be good to, to get rid of any kind of ambient. We don't have to worry about, you know, some ambient sounds. Oh, a hundred percent. Plus it'd be really cool. It would be really cool. And it would follow you around, right?

So if you turn your head, you're not going to be out of position. Oh, I think it would always be there. Yes. I love that. I love that. Well, probably 2030. That'll probably happen that easily, easily. Well, speaking of 2030, in fact, 2031 in may or somewhere thereabouts of 2031, nine years and 32 weeks from today, it will be, hypothetically, the 1, 000th episode of Voice Coaches Radio.

Again, all things remaining equal. Wow. I will be 45, soon to turn 46. My son will be 15, finishing his freshman year of high school. He just started kindergarten a few weeks ago, so that literally makes me want to vomit. Um, uh, uh. If we can think that far ahead, which I can't. Sixty, sixty six for me, Josh. See, there we go.

That's, uh, that's, that's, man, that's far away. But, I do think a lot of these predictions are actually fairly spot on. The industry shows no signs of slowing down. It's continuing to grow, and I don't see why that would change in the next ten years. Different avenues, perhaps, but... But all the different avenues that are out there, and those are growing, the different places where you can receive and get content, which is pretty much everywhere, I can't, like I said, my son watches videos on his iPad, you can't go 30 seconds without a commercial popping.

It's everywhere. Uh, yeah, I think, uh... Voiceover will continue to grow. Bold prediction, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Maybe not. I'm gonna, I'm gonna hold you to that . One of, one of the things that we're definitely gonna see is the continued trend toward diversity, uh, in the voices we use, uh, how boutique voices become to the, uh, intended, uh, recipient of the message to, to better connect with that recipient.

I think we are going to see, uh, computerization greatly enhance, um, the opportunity. Uh, for more voiceover, I think you're going to see things, uh, in the way, uh, platforms like Siri on iOS devices are interactive. I think one of the big growth areas in voiceover is going to be voiceover is going to be used in many things that are interactive, which is going to create a need.

For more voiceover now, uh, there are platforms right now, like Siri, where they don't even necessarily record entire phrases. They record, uh, sounds phonemes that make up, uh, that make up our language and with inflection tuning, they can create words. Uh, so you might see more of that, but I think technology is going to continue to, um, surprise us with new ways.

Uh, to use voiceover, you know, a technology question I get asked by newcomers in the field a lot, you know, is, uh, computerized voices, synthetic voices, going to replace voice actors. I don't think so. Uh, I don't think we're anywhere near that right now. And even if it were, uh, an equal playing field, uh, I think there's still many people who are going to choose, uh, the person, uh, A person is just so directable.

It's real. It's organic. There's, there's a feeling, uh, uh, when you're working with a quality voice. Uh, so I think, uh, I'm not too concerned about that one. And I hope I'm not wrong. Oh yeah, at least, and I agree with you in the foreseeable future. As it is right now, it's still noticeable. It's not, it's not one to one.

It's not the same. Will it ever be? I don't know, but... You can still tell. You know, another one, Josh, I think, uh, we have a... Extensive voiceover curriculum and our approach to developing people, I think, uh, I think learning about voiceover is going to become a component of other types of jobs, like maybe you'll see college programs where if you're going into marketing, you need to do coursework.

In voiceover, because it's being used so much now. So I think what we do as sort of behind the curtain, uh, is going to become much more, uh, common. Yeah. It's a great point. My wife works in, in human resources, works in HR for a, for a large healthcare company. And they have a microphone that they record stuff on and, and edit stuff on for their videos.

A lot of them recently, obviously, because so many policies have been changing, but you know, in general, that's something that. They are having to learn on the fly and, and she has, you know, asked me questions about it, but that's, that type of training is, is probably something that's going to be necessary in order to be able to put quality content out there for employees.

Yeah, I think so. And that's a big company she works for, right? Yes, yes. Yeah, so question, and you might, yeah, you probably can't talk about this, but, uh, did they, Do they got the, uh, the microphone that floats in the air, like a prototype? You know, I, I, I, I'm not at liberty to say. Right, right, sure, gotcha. Oh, yeah, I see that.

All right, gotcha. I'll never tell. I'll never tell. Yes. No, they, they don't. In fact, uh, the microphone they use is, uh, is not nearly as good as the one in my little recording studio. And I've told her to use mine. I was like, it's literally there. I already paid for it. Just use it. Um, but, uh, but you know, David, it's, it is certainly an accomplishment, I think, for, for you, that we are sitting here.

You know, 500 episodes into, uh, into this podcast and people are still listening, which is bananas to me. Um, but even, even, I, I, this is, by the way, this is my 134th episode, in case you were curious. That's about 27%. Um, I was, I was just curious about that. And, and I haven't. Completely blown it up, which is great.

But, you know, the longevity of this and, and, and of, of the voice coach's company is, uh, is certainly an, an attest not only to, you know, to, to you and to, uh, you know, and, and to Anna and to everybody here, but also to, to the product and to the service that's, that's provided that doesn't last this long if it's not.

something worthwhile. Thanks, man. Uh, it's really, uh, uh, we had the idea and we had the idea to build a company, uh, where we could, uh, be realistic with people instead of presenting a, Hey, you want to get rich overnight? You want to learn the secrets of how to break it through that away and said, Hey, it's a lot of fun.

It takes knowledge. It takes continued skill development, um, if you enjoy the process. You'll stick with it and have a better shot at it. Uh, so I am very grateful to my wife, Anna, to our team. We could not do this without our team, multiple people who've been here longer than 15 years. We can't get them to leave.

And, uh, but honestly, our clients, they proved to us that. People value, people value, uh, honesty, or they value something that's got some substance to it. Uh, you know, so many things out there today are just, uh, faces, um, and a contact form on the internet. And, I mean, we've got that too. Or, you could pick up the phone and call us.

Or, you could come have a cup of coffee here. So, it's, uh, it's a different approach. Um, we have been accused by some marketing consultants we've talked to, Hey, isn't that a little old fashioned? Uh, maybe, uh, but if it is, uh, I'm going to stick with it, uh, and, uh, just, I'm going to keep waiting for that floating microphone.

Yeah. Well, that's, that's obviously the next, uh, the next step. Once we get that floating microphone, we're going to have you in to talk about it. Um, but, uh, but David, thanks so much for, for again, I, I, I joke, but I mean, I know that you are, you're busy, you're on the road a ton, um, but, uh, but thanks for taking some time to, uh, uh, you know, to, to sit with us here, uh, in a couple of weeks, it's going to be my.

Four years here and it's been, uh, I've enjoyed, I truly enjoyed it. It was a big change for me and my career, uh, and one that I was, uh, it was a little trepidatious getting into, but, uh, it's, it's, it's been wonderful for me. And, uh, and so thank you for, for the opportunity for having me here and, uh, and thanks for taking some time to chat with us.

You're an incredible asset to our clients. Congratulations. We appreciate you sticking with us and. Little surprise. When you hit that five year mark, you get lunch break. So it's coming, and, uh, And start to get excited. You get 15 minutes. I'm gonna eat it. I'm gonna eat it. So, uh, 500 episodes in, 500, uh, on the horizon.

David, thanks so much again, my friend. Thanks, man. Well, as we mentioned, this is obviously episode number 500, and it would not be, uh, a special episode if we didn't have a, uh, a, a, a, a special, uh, A little something extra for all of you listening in now for those of you who are Longtime listeners of the show of the pod.

Thank you so much But for those of you who are longtime listeners of the pod you will know that you have Basically heard from every single person involved with, uh, with, uh, with voice coaches involved with this company, right? Uh, when new people come in, we try to get them, uh, on the show with us to, uh, excuse me, to introduce you to them, let you know who's here and, uh, the machinations that are going on, uh, here at, uh, at Voice Coaches.

But there is one name that has been been with the organization for, oh goodness, for almost from the beginning, that has never graced the airwaves of Voice Coaches Radio, and that is Mr. Brett Portser. Now, uh, again, I have tried mightily and very much unsuccessfully, uh, to get, uh, to get Brett Portser, uh, to come on to the show with us.

It has been a, a lifelong goal of mine. I have tried to coerce him. I have tried to bribe him. I have done everything I could possibly do. To try to, uh, to try to get Brett onto, uh, onto the show. Um, I, I have wanted him onto the show. Uh, you know, he's, he's probably got a lot of really good, interesting things to talk about.

And yet, he has fought me tooth and nail. Tooth and nail so as to not be part of the show. He is our senior engineer and producer here at, uh, at Voice Coaches. And, uh, and, and I, I've tried. I have tried to get him and, uh, and again, just the pushback from him has been incredible. I think it's a badge of honor that he had never been on the show.

I think that was, that was part of it. Um, but you know what? Finally got him. Finally got him on to the program. Um, it, it, it only took 500 episodes, uh, to, to get Brett onto the program. I mean, here's a guy who has worked with, you know, you name it. He's worked with them. He's worked with, uh, Netflix. He's worked with, uh, Nickelodeon and the discovery channel.

He is an integral part of the team here and of the organization. And, and honestly, he's an integral part of the podcast. Uh, you know, he used to edit the podcast previously and you know, he, he's whenever there's a technical issue, he's the guy we're, we're, we're, we're calling, so, you know, we, we, we. Like I said, we've wanted to get him on, we've wanted to have him on here to, to introduce you to him and, you know, all the different things he could, uh, he could, he could, you know, relay.

And, uh, and again, just fought it and fought it and fought it, but, uh, finally got him. 500 episodes, and I basically had to guilt him into doing it. Basically was like, listen man, it's episode number 500. We want to do something special for those listening in, for all of our fans. And, uh, who clearly have been clamoring to hear from, uh, from Brett Porter.

And, uh, and finally got him to do it. So. Uh, so Brett, uh, you know, again, thank you for, uh, for finally breaking down and, uh, and, and, and sitting with us for a, for a moment here, uh, on voice coaches radio. And I, and I guess I'll, I'll, I'll just ask, you know, uh, Brett, it has been 500 episodes since, uh, you've been here.

People have been wanting to, uh, to hear you certainly. And, uh, and now you, you can talk to the masses. Now you can get it out there. Is there anything in particular that you want to say? say to each and every one of our listeners, all our fans here who have been just dying to get a chance to, uh, to hear from anything that, that you want to tell these people.

You know, Josh, I'm glad you asked. Ladies and gentlemen, Brett Portzer. Wow. Very exciting stuff. Very exciting. Uh, we have fun. But that was actually, in fact, Brett. That, honestly, that, that was Brett. And that's probably as much as we're ever going to get him onto the program. But hey, can't say we didn't try.

Can't say we didn't try. So, Brett, thank you for, uh, for humoring me. Um, and, uh, and thank you all to, to, uh, to each and every one of you listening in. To say, it, it, it's the 500th episode. This is just, uh, it, it's amazing how long this has been going on. And how, uh, you know, how successful it's been. And, and, you know, you guys are the reason why.

You guys are the reason why. So thank you so much for putting up with me and with my, uh, uh, inane comments and, uh, you know, diatribes and synaptic misfires, but, uh, it's been a blast. It has been a blast so far. And the ones that I've been a part of, I do want to give special thanks to all the, uh, the former hosts that we have had here at voice coaches radio.

Uh, obviously my current cohost, Marissa Landshack, former hosts, uh, former coast of mine, Sam booty, Bethany Linderman and other former hosts and cohosts, Tom Robinson, Chris Sharling, Mike. Spring, Warren Garling, John Gallogly, and, uh, and, and everyone with the organization, you know, past and present who has gone on with this.

Yes, even Brett Porter, uh, for, uh, for helping out with the show and, uh, and taking some time to be on here. But again, as I said, thank you so, so much to all of you. To all of our listeners for tuning in for 500 episodes. Hopefully you are uh, you know, you're You're ready for another 500 and uh and sticking with us here.

It's uh, it's it's been a blast We have fun doing it. Hopefully you have uh fun You know, listening to it as well, right? If you have half as much fun listening to it as I have, uh, you know, actually voicing it, then I've had twice as much fun as you. So there you go. Uh, but again, thank you so, so much to all of you for listening in.

It is, uh, episode number 500 in the books, but we'll be back next week. Don't worry about it. Episode 501 starting from scratch. I've got a lot of fun things planned upcoming for the remainder of this calendar year and moving forward. But of course, Josh at voice coaches. com, that is the quickest and easiest way to get in touch with me.

Any questions, comments. So that you may have anything you want us to discuss on the podcast or off, uh, and, uh, any guests, any, uh, special things you'd like us to try and do for you, we are absolutely here to do that. So do not hesitate to reach out. Josh at voice coaches. com is best way to do that. Thank you so, so much again for tuning in today and each and every week here at voice coaches radio.

And until next time, so long, everyone. Visit voice coaches. com for more voiceover news and information.

On a very special 500th episode of Voice Coaches Radio, we welcome in David Bourgeois, President and Creative Director of Voice Coaches. Josh and David look back on the last 499 episodes and how the industry has changed in that time. As well as how the industry will continue to change over the next 500 episodes. Also a bonus special guest as Senior Engineer and Producer Brett Portzer finally joins the podcast!